We can at least rule them out based on the alphabet listing (hopefully) and the fact that you could hardly have a Holy Roman Empire without Prague (seen as a city state) and Vienna (capital of Austria in the game).
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We can at least rule them out based on the alphabet listing (hopefully) and the fact that you could hardly have a Holy Roman Empire without Prague (seen as a city state) and Vienna (capital of Austria in the game).
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Cahokia is also possible...but I just really feel like it IS going to end up being Venice and a native american civ (even if you guys have made doubt on The Sioux, specifically)
ImperialChaos
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Holy Roman Empire isn't going to be in BNW. Alphabet theory, Prague, makes it highly unlikely. I don't think Aachen is a city on any list, though.
I would love to see Charlemagne, but at this point, the Franks or the Holy Roman Empire (which he didn't rule, at least not the one that lasted until the Little Corporal ended it) are effectively ruled out.
I would love to see Charlemagne, but at this point, the Franks or the Holy Roman Empire (which he didn't rule, at least not the one that lasted until the Little Corporal ended it) are effectively ruled out.
From my point of view Venice is almost certain as for the last I believe it is almost surely going to be native American civ. I wouldn't really mind Sioux, but what I'd really love to get is Inuits. Arctic areas are pretty useless for any civ right now. I can imagine they would get UI for snow tiles and snow start bias. That would make me really happy.
Aachen works for Charlemagne, who wasn't the Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire as most would think of it. That said, they could do it as they did last time, although that isn't really the Holy Roman Empire, but instead Francia, but that's another story all together.
Aachen was the imperial seat early in the history of the Holy Roman Empire proper, but to have it without the other two seats, Prague and Vienna, would be bizarre to say the least. For comparison, picture France without Paris, Japan without Kyoto & Tokyo or the Ottoman Empire without Istanbul.
Cahokia actually has appeared as a city-state (listed on the espionage screen) in the Rev3Games preview. So likely not the Mississippians either.
awesome
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Sounds like samey same European to me. I'd prefer something with more potential to be unique.Why does everyone think this? It's the perfect opportunity to include part of renaissance italy in a civ. It's not gunna be anything like Portugal.
TheMarshmallowBear
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What do you propose? Although I don't like the fact that Europe is crammed, I love the fact that there's alot more Europe to be placed in Play Europe Again map.
awesome
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Vietnam has potential, so that'd be cool
ImperialChaos
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Yeah, I gotta admit this expansion is making me excited so that the new civs can be added to maps I play (mostly Play the World, Hyper-Europe).
Yzman
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I enjoy playing the Not another Earth Map that has TSL and is a custom size. The biggest issue is that all civs still can't be included due to the cap and Europe still seems super crowded compared to other regions. Australia is always just a barbarian stronghold.
Yzman
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As I said, there appears to be a hard limit on the amount of civs you can have. I know no way of undoing it. Modders have not been able to get past it either. I'm hoping they increase it in the expansion, but I find that unlikely ( the game runs really badly during mid game with that many civs)
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Some non-European, non native (North) American civs that I would love to see:
Afganistan: Turtle civ with bonuses to trade routes as it was a crucial player in the silk route, has always been a centerpiece in geopolitics.
Khmer: Tall oriented civ with UI (baray) and insane bonuses to their capital, which was the biggest urban center of the world for centuries
Ashanti: One of the biggest African empires ever, they could recieve bonuses for fighting with gunpowder and religious integration / tolerance, since they were one heavily multicultural civ
Mapuche: Want a native civilization far more deserving to appear than either the Pueblo or Sioux? Try these baddasses, only native civ able to stand agains the Spanish
Afganistan: Turtle civ with bonuses to trade routes as it was a crucial player in the silk route, has always been a centerpiece in geopolitics.
Khmer: Tall oriented civ with UI (baray) and insane bonuses to their capital, which was the biggest urban center of the world for centuries
Ashanti: One of the biggest African empires ever, they could recieve bonuses for fighting with gunpowder and religious integration / tolerance, since they were one heavily multicultural civ
Mapuche: Want a native civilization far more deserving to appear than either the Pueblo or Sioux? Try these baddasses, only native civ able to stand agains the Spanish
Quite sad that the Ashanti, and specially the Mapuche can't be in... But seriously, the Mapuche would be amazing...
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It won't be anymore, thanks to Gajah Mada the Manly.
Why does everyone think this? It's the perfect opportunity to include part of renaissance italy in a civ. It's not gunna be anything like Portugal.
Except if you look at the evidence we have from the other designs it probably will be.
I expect it to contain elements familiar from Portugal, The Dutch, Byzantium and France. All those 4 are designed around a similar period of history and are either naval or culturally similar. The minimap indicates a cultured coastal civ (which makes sense) so expect something to do with culture and or trade in their design probably both and if they have a unit it will probably be some form of Galley ala Byzantines.
The Dutch and Portugal designs are very similar both with a tile improvement and a special naval unit. Each has differences of course but the gameplay is not going to be radically different between them. I expect Venice to play much like them but probably kicking in slightly earlier.
Louis XXIV
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That's a very generic description of the Civs that play fairly differently - especially the Byzantines which I think play nothing like the Dutch and I doubt will play like Portugal or France. They have two UUs, one of which is a land UU, they have a religion-based bonus and have no bonus to trade. They don't have a building or UI. You might as well have thrown Carthage in there - and I'm surprised you didn't because there's a much stronger argument that Carthage is similar to Portugal than Byzantium is.
Seriously, though, you're one step removed from saying that all civs play similarly because they all have units, buildings, improvements, or abilities that give them a military, scientific, cultural, or economic advantage over other civs. Quite a few more fall into the category of "representing one era" such as Rome and Egypt.
Seriously, though, you're one step removed from saying that all civs play similarly because they all have units, buildings, improvements, or abilities that give them a military, scientific, cultural, or economic advantage over other civs. Quite a few more fall into the category of "representing one era" such as Rome and Egypt.
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Remember that shoddy article from the NY daily news (link).
This mentioned that there would be "six new civilizations". At the time this was generally taken as a sign that the authors of this piece were badly informed. Because everybody new at that time that there would be 9 new civs in BNW. (of which only 4 or 5 had been revealed at the time). This still seems the most likely interpretation.
However, their number 6 must have been based on something. What if a spoke person (or other source) had mentioned to them that there would 6 "all new" civs (as in 6 civs that had never been included in the series before.) (I know this is far fetched, but it is not like we have anything better to discuss.)
With the civilizations that have been confirmed this is still a possible interpretation. We currently know of 2 returning civs (portugal and zulu), and 5 "all new" civs (Assyria, Brazil, Indonesia, Morocco, and Poland.) This would mean that of the two remaining one would be "all new" (probably Venice), and the remaining one would be a returning civ. This would mean one of Hittites, HRE, Khmer, Mali, Native American, Sioux, Sumeria, and Viking. Of these HRE, Native American, and Viking are basically already represented under another name (Austria, Iriquois and Denmark). Mali and Hittites are ruled out based on alphabet. I think Sumeria was also ruled out (CS or City lists)
So, if we believe this interpretation of an obscure source we would be getting either the Sioux or Khmer (Vietnam).
Do with this as you will.
This mentioned that there would be "six new civilizations". At the time this was generally taken as a sign that the authors of this piece were badly informed. Because everybody new at that time that there would be 9 new civs in BNW. (of which only 4 or 5 had been revealed at the time). This still seems the most likely interpretation.
However, their number 6 must have been based on something. What if a spoke person (or other source) had mentioned to them that there would 6 "all new" civs (as in 6 civs that had never been included in the series before.) (I know this is far fetched, but it is not like we have anything better to discuss.)
With the civilizations that have been confirmed this is still a possible interpretation. We currently know of 2 returning civs (portugal and zulu), and 5 "all new" civs (Assyria, Brazil, Indonesia, Morocco, and Poland.) This would mean that of the two remaining one would be "all new" (probably Venice), and the remaining one would be a returning civ. This would mean one of Hittites, HRE, Khmer, Mali, Native American, Sioux, Sumeria, and Viking. Of these HRE, Native American, and Viking are basically already represented under another name (Austria, Iriquois and Denmark). Mali and Hittites are ruled out based on alphabet. I think Sumeria was also ruled out (CS or City lists)
So, if we believe this interpretation of an obscure source we would be getting either the Sioux or Khmer (Vietnam).
Do with this as you will.
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