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All Quiet on the Civ Front

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Duuk, Jun 6, 2018.

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  1. bbbt

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    I'm not arguing quality - Age of Wonders is one of my favorite games and long ago took the mantle from HoMM. More that they aren't someone I'd expect significant genre innovations from.
     
  2. WillowBrook

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    The build id for this update is the same as the build id for the 2kqa_b update on Friday.

    Not sure if that means anything, but maybe they have a different set of people besides the usual testers checking out the latest version now?
     
  3. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    Or they grabbed the b build to send in for approval from 2K overlords or for regional localization or something like that.
     
  4. tedhebert

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    When I tried out Stellaris, I never got around to liking the fact that the game should be played without specific winning goals, more like a simulation... Are Ck2 and EU4 in the same mold ? I'm willing to try one of them, probably more EU4, but I've pretty much defined that I need specific winning goals to really enjoy spending hundred
    of hours learning to play a game properly
     
  5. Cerilis

    Cerilis Not Warlord

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    Yeah, I think they are quite sandbox-y. You set your own goal.
     
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  6. Zaarin

    Zaarin My Dearest Doctor

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    You say that as though the two are mutually exclusive. :rolleyes: Also, of the two Paradox titles I've played, Stellaris is both pretty and fun and CK2 is neither pretty nor fun. :p

    To be honest I don't like the saturation filter Civ6 uses in golden ages, either, but I feel like there's a whole lot of middle ground between even vanilla Civ6's bright palette and Paradox's/Civ5's "painted with mud" palette. :p
     
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    That is my favourite part about Stellaris; for me it's an empire builder, and I have fun doing so. This is also how I play Civ; I build a pretty empire with districts and improvements placed for best efficiency and all it's only when I'm in the Information Era that I start to focus on a victory (because in terms of Tech; there is nothing new in the information era apart from computers; it's all military units...

    This is my only downfall with CivBE: The Tech Web was a great idea but because there were 5 Victories; 4 of which were scientific, you could and would bee-line a victory condition and never really build an empire that mattered... (Well; I did always build a pretty empire; but then get so distracted by it that I would then realise that all of the AIs were near their victories.)
     
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  8. Aristos

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    In a way, they are. I know what you mean, they shouldn't be, but in this our "real" world of gaming, they usually are. Look at civ 6. Millions have gone to fancy (fun or silly?) graphics, yet the AI is hopeless, not even able to use the air force (one example).

    As for PDX palette, are you sure you looked at the pictures of Imperator showcasing the new Jomini engine? That map, to me, looks fantastic, eons ahead of civ 6, and more realistic... and in that same map, I think I see something else to come... coupled with some elements of what they are doing in Stellaris. I certainly hope that my hunch becomes a reality, as Civilization is clearly in sore need of competition.
     
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  9. Zaarin

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    Again, I don't agree at all. Sure, there are plenty of games that are nice to look at but aren't good games, as well as plenty of games that are graphically ugly but fun to play. But there are also plenty of games that are both beautiful to look at and fun to play. Take some of Daedalic's hand-painted point-and-clicks, for instance, like the Deponia trilogy or The Whispered World. Or Amplitude's 4X games (which IMO are better games than any iteration of Civilization).

    I guess it depends on what you're looking for in a game. I play non-4X games for the story; I play 4X games to build an empire with the AI staying out of my way as much as possible. If I'm looking for a challenge, I'll play a puzzle game like Portal or The Talos Principle or (more rarely) a survival game like The Long Dark.

    For me, Civ6 has flaws, but the AI is pretty near the bottom of my priorities of what needs to be fixed. I'd much rather see the mechanics refined and given better synergy.

    "More realistic" isn't objectively better. Civ5 is "more realistic" than Civ6, but it's also an eyesore. I'm rather appreciative that the current trend in game design is away from realism and towards more stylization.
     
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  10. DWilson

    DWilson Where am I? What turn is it?

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    The problem with realism is that it becomes just how clearly bad they are, when compared a generation later. The styleizations graphically tend to last.
     
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    I just want to state that I disagree with you on this and I like Civ V graphics better than Civ VI flashy art, especially the leaderscreens. I don't recall any toad-man or jerk with giant red nose in Civ V :p

    But maybe a mix of both would be the best solution.
     
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    Considering EA killed the SimCity franchise I have no choice but to agree with this statement.
     
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    Civ5 has beautiful leader screens (though IMO in a way that is different rather than better than Civ6's), but the map is egregiously ugly.
     
  14. Alexander's Hetaroi

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    A game with Civ 6 maps, Civ 5 leader screens (but more animated), and Civ 4 gameplay for the win. :cool:
     
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    I don't like how in Cities:Skylines it feels like you are painting your cities. I played for 3 months after launch and the only challenge I found was managing possible traffic jams. The game gives you goals to reach a certain population and I found that easy to complete.

    What I liked about SimCity 2013 was that you had city specialization, where each city was different. The only thing that game did wrong was have small cities, the gameplay was good.
     
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    They're not a remake of a series that has the same lifespan though. Otherwise it would be equally valid to say that HoMM is a remake of Age of Wonders.

    CK2 doesn't have an actual win condition. The goal is what you set for yourself, and that can be a multitude of different things ranging from reforming an old empire (currently I'm trying to reform the Roman Empire in my game, for example) to conquering the entire world.

    What? Heresy!

    DEUS VULT!

    True; it's a very sandbox-y game, with the main idea being to create a city that's beautiful, rather than overcoming a challenge. In the Mods file there's an option for a hard mode though, I don't know how much harder that makes the game, but it might be worth checking out. (also, the DLCs are worth checking out as well)
     
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    bite Unoffical Civilization Geographer Moderator

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    It will be interesting to see if this is more than just a patch in the works
     
  18. SammyKhalifa

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    I played Skylines for quite a bit. It irritated me to no end how the cars would constantanly be doing U-Turns where a simple "no left turn" sign would have solved the issue perfectly. For all I know this was fixed in a patch though. But that one issue caused you to build ridiculous looping roads instead of reasonable realistic networks.

    SC2013--just, no. No, I don't want to play online with my friends. I'm playing SC because I'm being antisocial.
     
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    Go to bed, and maybe we'll let you know in the morning.
     
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    2kqa_c just updated. New build number, not the same as Friday's 2kqa_b or Saturday's pdreview.
     
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