All Things Star Wars

[Takhisis]

KOTOR tried to explain things, ROS certainly does not and leaves the actual workings of it to be fleshed out thought up by whomever does the comics and the Star Wars visual dictionaries and factbooks and what-not.

 

[Takhisis]

I saw rise of skywalker last night, a very late 11:30 pm showing. That was probably a huge mistake. And I went to a bar before hand and had a couple drinks.

I'm not really sure if it's good or bad or if I liked it or not but I will say holy crap it moves fast. It jumps right in an never lets up, and I found it messy and hard to follow, but again that might have been from my situation not being able to casually watch it. I would like to go again during some afternoon and see how it is.

It felt to me like they tried to cram too much into a 2.5 hour movie, and a lot of things happen without explanation or development. I think that's my only problem with it. But again I need a rewatch to be sure.

Come to the right thread, my apprentice. And the alcohol made it harder to follow a lot of things that were never explained anyway.

 

[Synobun]

It saddens me, but I'll be unwatching this thread until January. May the Force be with you all. Except for Takh.

 

[Takhisis]

I've been asked to repost this:

Sommerswerd Please inform everyone in the thread for me that they are a bunch of no good very bad spoilering %$$#&!#! scum

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

well my spoilers got pulled out of my spoiler tags!!!!!!!

 

[Phrossack]

On a less spoiler-ish note:

 

[Thorvald of Lym]

Actually I changed my mind, Palpy really is the deserved arch-villain of the ST:

Spoiler :

 

[GoodEnoughForMe]

Star Wars The Rise of Gamers

 

[Traitorfish]

Saw Rise of the Star Wars, which is definitely the name, don't bother googling it. It was pretty good, but there is lots of stuff that the sort of people who get mad about this will get mad about.

Edit: some disorganised and spoiler-y thoughts.

Spoiler :

The core narrative and main character arcs were mostly solid, resolve satisfactorily, and so on, but there were a lot of weird contrivances which didn't really impact the plot, but will get under people's skin.

Rey and Ren resolved acceptably. We got the much-predicted redemption arc, but not doing that would have been almost as predictable, and running into the late-season Game of Thrones trap of averting expectation for the sake of averting expectation, and the Season 8 Game of Thrones trap of not even successfully averting.

Rose was hardly in it, which was weird given that they she was a central character in the last one. I guess nobody outside of the main trio gets any guarantees.

Finn was in it a bunch, but was kinda just following everyone else around. I guess he completed his arc over the first two films. Po got like half an arc, I suppose he was essentially rounding off his arc in the second film. I think both characters suffered from the clear narrative emphasis to Rey, which kinda downgraded them from part of a heroic trio to sidekicks.

Lightsabers are still rad as hell, even the prequels couldn't mess that part up so it was a safe bet that they'd work here.

There were two new female supporting characters who did look very cool, but were undercut slightly by the fact that the words "coming soon to a spinoff near you" were implicitly floating over their heads in each scene.

Palpatine worked, still a classic villain. Some of the logic of his evil scheme was a bit frayed, but the character is so extra that he makes it work for him in a way the more understated Snoke didn't.

Unclear why Rey needed to be Palpatine's grandaughter. Didn't add anything to the story except wrenching the series back to weird dynastic fixations. I guess it was meant to heighten Rey's anxiety about falling to the Dark Side, but Rey is already on the record as disbelieving that ancestry is fate so it wasn't clear how.

The rebel fleet should have shown up about ten minutes earlier. The delay didn't add anything, and arriving at the exact moment at which all hope appeared lost felt forced.

Knights of Ren were a disappointment. We finally get a good look at them, they look great, but instead of a miniboss squad fight, they're dispatched like anonymous mooks. I was really looking forward to seeing what the guy with the tetsubo could do, and I don't think he ever got a shot in.

Hux deserved better, and also did not deserve one iota better, I'm not sure.

I don't know why the emperor need a fleet of ten trazillion star destroyers, each with a miniature death star. I think they were trying too hard to crank up the sense of peril, when really the emperor himself supplied all the peril needed.

C3-PO got a heroic turn, which I quite enjoyed. And his comedic lines were a bit more varied than just "lol he's a stuffy old Brit".

Babu Frik is love, Babu Frik is life.

 

[Takhisis]

Discussion on wee Traitorfishy's post:

Spoiler why am I even spoilering this when Sommerswerd and Syn-chan are not even posting? :

The core narrative and main character arcs were mostly solid, resolve satisfactorily, and so on, but there were a lot of weird contrivances which didn't really impact the plot, but will get under people's skin.

Rey and Ren resolved acceptably. We got the much-predicted redemption arc, but not doing that would have been almost as predictable, and running into the late-season Game of Thrones trap of averting expectation for the sake of averting expectation, and the Season 8 Game of Thrones trap of not even successfully averting.

It's OK, they are not a couple and Kylo doesn't get away with his crimes scot-free.

Rose was hardly in it, which was weird given that they she was a central character in the last one. I guess nobody outside of the main trio gets any guarantees.

I wonder how much of this was due to the bad reaction after Ep. 8 and how much to genuine insight that having too many love stories ruins it (looking at the prequel trilogy cof cof)

Finn was in it a bunch, but was kinda just following everyone else around. I guess he completed his arc over the first two films.

Well, yes, at some point the Force-users have to take centre stage and Finn is never relegated to the position of absolute idiot.

There were two new female supporting characters who did look very cool, but were undercut slightly by the fact that the words "coming soon to a spinoff near you" were implicitly floating over their heads in each scene.

Definitely. ‘Rise of the defecting troopers’ + Zorii being in The Mandalorian is my bet.

Palpatine worked, still a classic villain. Some of the logic of his evil scheme was a bit frayed, but the character is so extra that he makes it work for him in a way the more understated Snoke didn't.

I think it's mostly due to Ian McDiarmid letting himself go and enjoying the hamminess inherent to being the most evil being in the entire storyline (ha-ha-ha-ha!) just as he did in the prequel trilogy.

Unclear why Rey needed to be Palpatine's grandaughter. Didn't add anything to the story except wrenching the series back to weird dynastic fixations. I guess it was meant to heighten Rey's anxiety about falling to the Dark Side, but Rey is already on the record as disbelieving that ancestry is fate so it wasn't clear how.

I think that was a saving throw.

Knights of Ren were a disappointment. We finally get a good look at them, they look great, but instead of a miniboss squad fight, they're dispatched like anonymous mooks.

+1. They are worse than Phasma.

I don't know why the emperor need a fleet of ten trazillion star destroyers, each with a miniature death star. I think they were trying too hard to crank up the sense of peril, when really the emperor himself supplied all the peril needed.

See my comments on the Chris Carter effect above.

C3-PO got a heroic turn, which I quite enjoyed. And his comedic lines were a bit more varied than just "lol he's a stuffy old Brit".

I thought there was too much comic relief because (again!) the half the audience ended up laughing whenever the mood wasn't as dark as in the Sith temple.
But C3PO being crucial to the plot and having character depth for once was refreshing.

Babu Frik is love, Babu Frik is life.)

Hmmmm, not sure. Again, too much comic relief, but the character itself is not bad.

=)

 

[JohannaK]

Really, people who read Rose and Finn as anything more than friends puzzle me. I especially loved people who went "She's a terrible love interest, look at Finn when they kiss." Yeah, look at him. He's as puzzled as you are. He doesn't love her. Now she sits in a weird place between acknowledgement and erasure and it's weird af.

 

[tjs282]

I was disappointed because I've know you for many years now going back to Civ III and have never known you to make a statement like that.

OK, that's fair enough. I believe we've mostly interacted in this thread and Civ3 Tech Support, where there was no real reason for me to be exposing my political biases (and I guess you've had no inclination to visit the UK Politics/Brexit threads!). But you're right, I shouldn't have brought them here, since this is not the thread for it. My comment was a cheap shot, and for that I apologise.

Spoiler See above, so Spoiler'd below :

FWIW, I do also make a mental distinction between "Trump supporters all the way, no matter what he says or does" (=Trumpistas) and "habitual Republican-voters who, despite being unhappy that he won the primary, still felt obliged to vote for him out of a sense of team loyalty (or whatever)" (=everyone else?). Not sure if that makes it any better, but still...

 

[Clubber Lang]

Spoiler Some non-spoiler ROS vids :

https://twitter.com/_LukeCSkywalker/status/1012361406681772032

then

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1207878802464018437

Spoiler some more Ros VIDS :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3l7gRH-5X4&feature=emb_title

 

[Takhisis]

Today I got up and there was Eps. I, II and III from the very early morning until mid-afternoon. I caught part of Ep. II and the wonderful (albeit nonsensical) battle at the beginning of Ep. III before remembering that I was supposed to go watch the noon showing of Ep. IX (and buy a ticket along the way, too). And now I've just watched Ep. V and Ep. VI is on. I cannot escape Star Wars.

Really, people who read Rose and Finn as anything more than friends puzzle me. I especially loved people who went "She's a terrible love interest, look at Finn when they kiss." Yeah, look at him. He's as puzzled as you are. He doesn't love her. Now she sits in a weird place between acknowledgement and erasure and it's weird af.

I've just been reading an interview with Kathleen Kennedy in which she attributed the disconnect between Ep. 8 and the other two to its director never having been present at the planning meetings for the overarching story arc and plot development.

 

[BenitoChavez]

I just got back from seeing TRoS. I'm still processing it but my initial reaction is that it is a convoluted mess. Why things are happening is given the flimsiest of excuses if any is given at all. I feel like it's definitely near the bottom of Star Wars for me and that is saying something.

Spoiler :

How did Palpatine come back? If that was explained I totally missed it. I know there was that bit at the end where he said his spirit would transfer to Rey if she killed him, but Palpy was still in his old body throughout the movie. He was also hooked up to that mechanical arm thing but I don't see how that keeps him alive.

 

[Clubber Lang]

Manadalorian, The Reckoning - Fantastic episode, some of the casting has been a delight.

Werner Herzog was majestic.

Baby Yoda getting snatched before being able to heal Nick Nolte (could be wounded), please let Baby Yoda force choke Moff Gideon.

That bounty droid going to be unleashed on the Storm/Death troopers?
Don't think they can re-programme it from where they are, but it might still hold a thermal detonator in it's chest plate.
Would of thought that Kuiil would of removed it, he might still be alive and as a last act flip IG-88 back into action.

Spoiler Chapter 7 Mandalorian pics :

Scout troopers chilling and posing for an album cover shoot.

Apollo Creed got jokes ahaha...

Boss landing

Some random pics...

Shout out to those pesky Jawas in chapter 2, they rule!

 

[JohannaK]

https://twitter.com/_LukeCSkywalker/status/1012361406681772032

then

https://twitter.com/rianjohnson/status/1207878802464018437

I was going to read the whole image because why not, but then I saw the guy replying to some comment:

https://twitter.com/_LukeCSkywalker/status/1028135712569212928?s=20

Yeah, I wont bother.

 

[Tristan_C]

I just got back from seeing TRoS. I'm still processing it but my initial reaction is that it is a convoluted mess. Why things are happening is given the flimsiest of excuses if any is given at all. I feel like it's definitely near the bottom of Star Wars for me and that is saying something.

I'm just grateful that it managed to reassemble a sort of main storyline from the smoldering remains Rian Johnson left behind. It was a rough ride, though, I agree. It does not take much for me to love a star wars movie. After watching this, ep8 remains the only one I dislike.

 

[JohannaK]

I am just amazed that after Rian Johnson left them essentially a clean slate, all they could come up with was 'let's revive the Emperor'.

 

[uppi]

I am just amazed that after Rian Johnson left them essentially a clean slate, all they could come up with was 'let's revive the Emperor'.

I think the clean slate was part of the problem: The movie was supposed to end a trilogy when the first two have not managed to establish what the trilogy is supposed to be about.

So how long until Episode X?