Altered Maps V: The Molotov-Threadentropp Pact

[Dachs]

Wikipedia nationalist theory dictates that all information on Wikipedia with regards to ethnolinguistic boundaries before the current time is false.

 

[warpus]

What the hell is purple on the wc qual. map?

 

[RedRalph]

Wikipedia nationalist theory dictates that all information on Wikipedia with regards to ethnic boundaries before the current time is false.

Stop with the Wiki-bashing please now dachs theres a good boy thank you very much much obliged I appreciate it

 

[TheLastOne36]

So it's 1914? Rhodes should be Italian, you should probably fix the Dobruja, and Varwnos already mentioned the wonky Greco-Bulgarian border. Also, Krakau is in the Habsburg empire.

Marburg was German in 1914...but the rest of Untersteiermark...hmm. Outside of Marburg and some of the other towns I expect it was Slovenian-speaking. They had that irksome national renaissance during the 19th century...Depends on what grounds you're denoting ethnic identification.

Yah, Mirc provided me a very nice map of Romania, It will fix Silistria, don't worry about that part. Rhodes should be Italian? Will do. (likely somebody just copied and pasted the history from another greek island).

Krakow was still part of Austria-Hungary in 1914 IIRC, it was 1915 when Pilsudski started the rebellion.

Marburg will be Slovene than, but it will keep the name Marburg rather than Maribor. I think that is a fair divide is the same has been done with the other Slovene province (Krain I think, which is German for Carniola, the capital is also Laichbag which is German for Ljubjana I assume)

 

[TheLastOne36]

What the hell is purple on the wc qual. map?

They didn't compete in qualification because they submited there thing to late. (philippines and laos)

 

[Dachs]

Krakau/Kraków/Cracow/. .. .. . was under Habsburg control until '18, not '15. Piłsudski was still in command of the Polish Legions until '16, when he became minister of war of the kingdom that the Central Powers set up in Congress Poland. Which transitioned nicely to a role as minister of war of the republic that replaced it.

Rhodes should belong to Italy but should have a Greek population.

Yes, I think German names for the Marburg and Laibach provinces would be appropriate, giving them Slovene culture.

Stop with the Wiki-bashing please now dachs theres a good boy thank you very much much obliged I appreciate it

Srs: Dude, come on. Bottom of the page footnotes highlight a key dispute between English-language and German-language (and Slovene-language, I expect) Wikipedias as to the nature of that Bloody Sunday thing. The history section is constructed such that virtually the only thing discussed is the ethnic situation immediately around the time of the end of the Habsburg state and the creation of the Yugoslav kingdom. Clearly the stuff in there is a matter of contention. Hell, half the history section is sprinkled with [citation needed] indicators.

And you can't tell me that some of Wikipedia's most ******** edit/revert wars are centered around idiot nationalist crap in Europe. As are some of its most egregiously skewed history articles, as recognized by Wikipedian leadership.

Not srs: k w/e wiki $uxx

 

[TheLastOne36]

Krakau/Kraków/Cracow/. .. .. . was under Habsburg control until '18, not '15. Piłsudski was still in command of the Polish Legions until '16, when he became minister of war of the kingdom that the Central Powers set up in Congress Poland. Which transitioned nicely to a role as minister of war of the republic that replaced it.

So what is the problem?

Krakow is under Hapsburg rule.

 

[RedRalph]

Srs: Dude, come on. Bottom of the page footnotes highlight a key dispute between English-language and German-language (and Slovene-language, I expect) Wikipedias as to the nature of that Bloody Sunday thing. The history section is constructed such that virtually the only thing discussed is the ethnic situation immediately around the time of the end of the Habsburg state and the creation of the Yugoslav kingdom. Clearly the stuff in there is a matter of contention. Hell, half the history section is sprinkled with [citation needed] indicators.

And you can't tell me that some of Wikipedia's most ******** edit/revert wars are centered around idiot nationalist crap in Europe. As are some of its most egregiously skewed history articles, as recognized by Wikipedian leadership.

Not srs: k w/e wiki $uxx

Oh yeah, big time. But your putting the boot into it a lot lately, there still almost always far far more right than wrong in its articles.

 

[Dachs]

So what is the problem?

Krakow is under Hapsburg rule.

Well, your Krakow looks weird then.

Oh yeah, big time. But your putting the boot into it a lot lately, there still almost always far far more right than wrong in its articles.

Credit where it's due, I suppose. I'll own that there's useful and true stuff in Wikipedia, and a lot of it.

And since we need some altered maps...hmm...how about - my take on Burgundy in 1450:

 

[holy king]

so small you can barely see it?

 

[TheLastOne36]

Krakow is the same as in Vanilla, I haven't got around to editing Poland yet, but it is on my todo list after I'm done with Balkans and Romania.

Speaking of Burgundy Belgium, I also edited around in Belgium. Added Tournai, Mechelen and Namur provinces, as well as many countries cores.

 

[RedRalph]

Fairly random country merges, with capitals

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[RedAlert]

RedAlert's Unrealistic Alternate History, Part II

Part I

North America: 1832

Past Events

- Napoleon goes all Napoleon in Mexico, and becomes Emperor of the independant Mexican Empire.
- The British expand into Oregon country and Northwestern North America.
- Bolivar throws the Spanish out, Republic of Colombia founded.
- Disaffected French Liberals and Napoleon loyalists immigrate to Louisiana en masse (suitably).
- Haitians get uppity, finally defeat the French and assume independance.
- After the Emperor of Mexico kicks the bucket, Santa Anna seizes power as Regent.
- Several areas of Mexico, some having tried for years, others only with the regime change, attempt to escape the union. The Federal Republic of Central America succeeds.

Current Events

- With the current turmoil in Mexico, the British make their move and occupy Alta California.
- Venezuela gets a divorce from Colombia.
- The Americans, their alliance with Napoleon expired, view the new power to their west and the new man who rules it less favourably.
- The Confederate States of America keep equal distance from the British and the U.S. in foreign policy.

Future Events

- Santa Anna prepares for war to the north and the south.
- Many Americans look to Louisiana territory to settle.

 

[TheLastOne36]

You know Gran Colombia was Venezuelan and it dissolved because the other parts of Gran Colombia were to poor for the Venezuelans to support. Venezuela didn't divorce, they left.

But interesting events nonetheless. Dominion of California, Canada and Oregon? By american settlers going to Lousiana do you mean Louisiana or former French territory north of Louisiana?

What's the green in northern USA?

 

[Weik]

The number of embassies in a country can be seen as a measurement of how important the rest of the world considers that country to be.

Belgium have such a high number because Brussels is the seat of NATO and EU, Switzerland because Geneva is the European headquarters of the UN. Accredited embassies are not counted.

 

[Kyriakos]

The number of embassies in a country can be seen as a measurement of how important the rest of the world considers that country to be.

Belgium have such a high number because Brussels is the seat of NATO and EU, Switzerland because Geneva is the European headquarters of the UN. Accredited embassies are not counted.

I doubt that, no reason to think for example that Egypt and South Africa are important

 

[TheLastOne36]

Egypt is perhaps the most important country in the Middle East/North Africa aside from Israel and MAYBE Iran. They will be helpful in making any future peace negotiations in the area.

South Africa is fairly important for an African country.

The Map maker should not have made the two blue colors... Makes the map look strange.

Anyway, I finished the localization of the Balkans region, so now the area has names and everything :

Question : Should I rename Bosanska Krajina as Bihac? A Bosnian guy told me that Bosanska Krajina was more accurate, but Bihac looks better on the map...

 

[say1988]

I doubt that, no reason to think for example that Egypt and South Africa are important

They are both major regional powers, and South Africa has resources that are important.
Also remember that a lot of countries likely only have embassies in a couple countries in Southern Africa and other relatively unimportant regions as such they establish their embassy in the most important country, and it is acts as the embassy to other countries in the vicinity.

 

[Theige]

Is there any chance you could do a map for teams that qualified legitimately and another for cheating handballing smug car-salesmen scumbags who got through because Sepp Blatter wanted them to?

I don't know what you're talking about.

To what nation do you refer to?

 

[RedAlert]

You know Gran Colombia was Venezuelan and it dissolved because the other parts of Gran Colombia were to poor for the Venezuelans to support. Venezuela didn't divorce, they left.

That's..... not a contradiction? I think you're just being picky.

But interesting events nonetheless. Dominion of California, Canada and Oregon? By american settlers going to Lousiana do you mean Louisiana or former French territory north of Louisiana?

Dominion of California, Canada and Oregon? -- If the British can hold on to it all...
About the American settlers, I was referring to the Mexican/Napoleonic Louisiana, but they're immigrating to both.

What's the green in northern USA?

The Confederate States of America. In 1814 the northern states seceeded from the union, being fed up with the oppressive southerners and their failed war against Britain. See first installment.