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Well they obviously had the benefits of superior German development, industrialization, and education.
 
All the Germans got kicked out of the German parts of Poland at the end of World War II, the article accompanying that map explained that wasn't the cause (they weren't sure what if anything was).

Well they obviously had the benefits of superior German development, industrialization, and education.
That was my first thought too.

I didn't yet actually take the time to form a serious hypothesis to explain this. :) It just seemed pretty amazing to me.
 
Well they obviously had the benefits of superior German development, industrialization, and education.

Aside from Education (which was pretty equal on both sides) that is true. The Russians never modernized there part of poland after the paritions, while the austrians and germans did. (plus of course Prussia). But this doesn't make sense with Silesia i noticed. Silesia is split, while both sides are extremely modernized.
 
I hate that there's a Galicia in Spain, a Galicia in Eastern Europe, and a Galatia in Anatolia :crazyeye:
I blame Gallic persons and take the opportunity to cleanse the local area of them whenever possible. :nuke:
 
Can anyone tell me any cities which would be near MY maps northern Urkaine boundry? i'm having a hard time placing it...
 

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Kursk? Orel? Bielgorod? I suck at Eastern European geography offhand.
 
If you look closely, you'll notice that the map is a gradient, getting richer from East, going to West.

Of course if you pick an arbitrary division point between "richness levels" (in whatever form the graph represents that, I'm too lazy to check), you'll at some point arrive at a magical line going from north to south that will line up with any sort of historical north-south border you want.

The south aligns so nicely because that's Silesia - a region fought over by many people, over the centuries. It's rich in natural resources and industry and always has been.

The north lines up so well because that part of Poland is close to the baltic states - they are doing very well economically right now.
 
Can anyone tell me any cities which would be near MY maps northern Urkaine boundry? i'm having a hard time placing it...
I see you split Belgium in two, but did you also add some parts of The Netherlands to Flanders? (ie parts of Zeeland and Limburg that were originally Belgian between 1830 and 1839)?
Interesting map... :)
 
I see you split Belgium in two, but did you also add some parts of The Netherlands to Flanders? (ie parts of Zeeland and Limburg that were originally Belgian between 1830 and 1839)?
Interesting map... :)
I think I have a vague idea of why Belgium was split up, which wouldn't involve the Dutch giving up any territory. But it's his to reveal. :mischief:
 
This is pretty unbelievable:

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Polish 2007 election results with pre-WW2 German borders superimposed.

That was my first thought too.

I didn't yet actually take the time to form a serious hypothesis to explain this. :) It just seemed pretty amazing to me.

Wow, that's pretty significant (kinda looks like Ukraine and its own political divisions).

I don't think this has anything to do with infrastructure built by previous owners (most of it got blown to pieces during WW2 anyway). It's more related to what kind of people settled the post-German areas.

These people don't have such a strong roots as the Poles in the rest of the country, so it's possible it also affects their political views. You can see that the South-East of the country is pretty conservative, while the new areas are liberal.

Just my theory.
 
This is pretty unbelievable:

poland_2007_election_results.jpg


Polish 2007 election results with pre-WW2 German borders superimposed.

I believe I did post maps like this before.

It comes from a couple of things:
1) Post-german lands are richer, and richer parts vote for liberals
2) In these parts of western territories, which were inhabited by Germans before ww2, there was collectivisation after the war; the local society structures were weaker, and links with tradition etc as well, while links with communist rule stronger. But it doesn't explain Kashubs, Silesians, Major Poles voting for liberals, does it. Kashubs and Silesians have distinct nature and that may account for it: they don't want to be fully swallowed by nationalists who treat them with suspicion. But Major Poles? Major Poland was the bastion of ultranationalism before ww2.

What is interesting is that it's not only about politics. In former German Empire, former Austrian Empire and former Russian Empire, there is different level of railroad density; different plants cultivated; different cattle. Poland is very much divided.

But it wasn't that visible until the de facto 2 party system PO (liberals) and PiS (nationalist conservatives) formed. Before, it looked a bit different.
for example, Zaglebie - an industrial region in former RE - voted left; next to it, industrial region in former GE voted liberal; next to it, agricultural region in former PE voted conservative; now all vote for liberals, mostly.

I recall Chelm region in the most extreme east voting for left, as well as Kielce region - but it may come from that Chelm region was also repopulated to some extent after ww2, because Ukrainians were expelled, and anyway, the left was the biggest party there, but the majority might have been right-winged.

anyway, here is ukraine with election results and polish-lithuanian border (since 1503 or so exactly, but also earlier since XIV century)until 1648, and polish border 1921-1939
 

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