Alternate History NESes; Spout some ideas!

[das]

USSR goes east and allies with natzi germany? (the unholy alliance?)

That happens too, though its more like "goes south". Still, the PoD is, though closely connected to this, is not quite it.

Hitler reinforces Rommel's campaign instead of going after Russia.

Not quite, but yes, Rommel's campaign did get more reinforcements.

Germnay must have released the Jews in their concentration camps or soemthing cause I see Israel

Sure did that, after the war. It was cheaper then sending them to Madagascar.

the Italians actual have a half decent, half prepared army?

I am not THAT unrealistic.

Russians got of their asses and invade Japan, Finalnd, China, etc. They broke their NAP with the Germans and caught them offguard.

Third Reich is still quite alive.

The A Bomb is not invented in time for the war?

I can understand that explaining why USSR and Nazi Germany coexist in peace in 1960...

Nationalist Spain actually helps the Axis?

Not the PoD, though they did do it when there wasn't anybody in their vicinity left to fight, apart from the renegade Vichy forces.

US never enters the war against the Germans?

They did enter the war, even slightly earlier then in OTL.

 

[Xen]

dose hitler & himler suddenly die creating a Nazi germany that isnt inherentlyl evil and the enemy of all that is good and decent in the world?

 

[erez87]

After France Germany and Britian sign peace? Later they go to war again with a much stronger Afrika corps to aid Italy? Never invade USSR as it became too strong...

 

[das]

Slightly biased, ain't you? Anyhow, that is pretty much it - Hitler dies of a heart attack in 1940. France already fell, the Battle of Britain is in full swing. The military takes over in a quick couo, allies with USSR so that it helps them knock the British out of the war and after the war creates a German-dominated EU.

 

[Xen]

@Das- Rascism is bad; Genocide is worse- and Genocidal Rascism like the Nazis practiced is about a bad a thing as you can get

 

[das]

Rascism is bad

You only say it because some of the modern EUROPEAN racist theorists have decreed that the "White Race's" mental capacity is 100% - while according to them, the CHINESE mental capacity in 105%.

Genocide is worse

Did you ever try it? Other then that, yeah, its pretty stupid too.

But just because Nazis were genocidal racists didn't neccessarily mean that they are "inherently evil and enemy of all that is good and decent in the world". Contrary to the Soviet propaganda films that are supposed to be "documentaries".

But, yeah, I agree they were raving loonies with some idiotic and rather amoral ideas. Here, we have National-Socialism with a human face.

 

[Xen]

You only say it because some of the modern EUROPEAN racist theorists have decreed that the "White Race's" mental capacity is 100% - while according to them, the CHINESE mental capacity in 105%.

those same people als say the africans have a lower mental capacity, that balck people are physcially stropnger, asians weaker- and whites the best of both worldsa, makign whites the over all best;

all of it however, is pure bull****.

Did you ever try it? Other then that, yeah, its pretty stupid too.

But just because Nazis were genocidal racists didn't neccessarily mean that they are "inherently evil and enemy of all that is good and decent in the world". Contrary to the Soviet propaganda films that are supposed to be "documentaries". But, yeah, I agree they were raving loonies with some idiotic and rather amoral ideas. Here, we have National-Socialism with a human face.

yes it dose; you shoudl knwo just what the Nazis had plans for; you should know just how warped and bent thier plans were- and in the process smeared natolist socialism forever (I myself woudlnt mind supporteing democratic nationalist socialism; soem fo the tenents arnt bad at all- others are insane, best to strike the bes tof both worlds.

 

[das]

all of it however, is pure bull****.

Who's arguing? According to the same aforementioned Nazis, I'm one-fourth unhuman and three-fourths underhuman as well.

yes it dose; you shoudl knwo just what the Nazis had plans for;

Sadly, THAT is unknown. With Hitler, you never know.

Democratic Nationalist Socialism? That's a tough one. Nazis meet Mensheviks, perhaps?

 

[Amenhotep7]

We are the Althistorians. Resistance is futile. Your history will be altered beyond repair. Please put this in your sig to show that you have been diverged.

I motion we all put this in our sigs. Muwahahahaha!

Anyways, what if China never fully recovered from it's Warring States period? Resulting in anywhere from 4-5 different Chinese countries to a Balkanized China.

 

[Xen]

@Amenhotep- thats one scenario I have been wanting to see happen for AGES now

 

[Xen]

Not alt history per say- but si ce the early a scenario starts off, the more different the rest of history is liable to be, it might as well be;

I'm working on a HUGE map of bronze age civlizations, and advanced cultures and what not, because i have a divine love of the bronze age, and early iron age

 

[Xen]

as you can see, significant work needs to be done; hatti needs FAR more cities, sever nationa need either color, or cities, and I have not even reached Media or Persia yet;

that said, if soem one can direct ot me any non- harappa bronze age indian cultures (with a map, or at least descritpion of thier location) I woudl be much abliged

 

[Amenhotep7]

Don't forget to show the emerging Celtic cultures (The period you're mapping... Would that be Hallstatt period or La Tene period in Celtic history..?)

 

[North King]

I suspect Minoa and Tartessos will be overpowered...

 

[Xen]

neither- theu didint develop until even later

to put a spot light on it, the Mycenarean Greeks, and Italians are essentially the same culture as the celts woudl be byt he time they both devleoped futher- everythign from Mycenaen Greece except the language (which is close enough anyway) is more or less the same is the Gallic Celts woudl eventuallty be

 

[Xen]

I suspect Minoa and Tartessos will be overpowered...

I'm just makign the map; not starting an NES

 

[das]

Xen - if its not althistory, why post it?

Resulting in anywhere from 4-5 different Chinese countries to a Balkanized China.

I don't think that will last for long. The reason China lasted so long as an unified nation (in comparsion with other regions) is the monopolar culture - that is, the Chinese cultural influence and the Chinese cultural identity caused the Far East to be largely under Chinese influence, while the regions around the Chinese cultural centers were often unified into a single state. This is by contrast to, say, the Middle East where we had Egypt, Hatti and Mesopatamia cultural centers. To split up China, you should rather create a more advanced Yuan civilization in south China, or an earlier Korean civilization - Warring States period is simply too late.

 

[Xen]

theoretically, the same statment woudl apply to the slavic balkans- but obvioslly, the situation has becoem fafr different; I think that a "balkanized' china was never achieved because chinas geography is well, pretty damn suceptible to conquest- essentially thier is a single big mountian chaine in the west, and int he east, mos tof th eland is divided into three different terrian regions; the main defence china has (and will ever have, if its history continues as it dose, and no major plagues break out) is that its terrain just happens to be perfect for intense famring, and settlment; leading to a huge population.

IMO, the ket to "balanizing" china dosent need to revolve around culture- just conceeded, and able military leaders whom have a stronger want to defedn what they have, then to try to gain all china.

 

[Xen]

Xen - if its not althistory, why post it?

anything starting off that early in time might as well be alternate history, thats why.

 

[das]

anything starting off that early in time might as well be alternate history, thats why.

Tell me if there is anything althistorical in that map.

theoretically, the same statment woudl apply to the slavic balkans-

Actually, no. The "Balkanization" is a rather erroneous term. There were many large states there, in 1914 there were only three Balkan Slavic states. Yugoslavia was broken up because of neonationalism and the aftershock after the fall of USSR.

I think that a "balkanized' china was never achieved because chinas geography is well, pretty damn suceptible to conquest- essentially thier is a single big mountian chaine in the west, and int he east, mos tof th eland is divided into three different terrian regions; the main defence china has (and will ever have, if its history continues as it dose, and no major plagues break out) is that its terrain just happens to be perfect for intense famring, and settlment; leading to a huge population.

Geographic difference causes cultural difference, Xen.

IMO, the ket to "balanizing" china dosent need to revolve around culture- just conceeded, and able military leaders whom have a stronger want to defedn what they have, then to try to gain all china.

I think that this situation will not last for long - two or three centuries, but eventually I think it would be restored unless aliens or some such are interferring to keep China disunited. We need a geographic difference or another pole of culture nearby. See Hussites - they had many strong leaders, from Zhizhka to Ambrozh, who succesfully fought back numerous crusades, yet in a century or so Bohemia was still held by a Catholic German nation - exactly what they fought against.