Alternate History NESes; Spout some ideas!
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Something dealing with Otto the Great?
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@Das On your map, Scandinavia is like in RL the Kalmar Union, the Northern German "nation" is the Hansetic Legue (i think) As for France i'd guess that, the French won a crushing victory (even more crushing then in OTL) over the English during the Hundred years war.
das
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No.
Yes, it is.
As was already said.
They did in the local version of the Hundred Years War, the War for Acquitaine Succession (1328-1339). That was, though, already after they acquired much of Italy Italy (but before the Sack of Rome and the coronation of King Louis XII (different from OTL Louis XII) as the Holy Roman Emperor).
das
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A hint - the PoD has nothing to do with France.
das
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Again - as an advice, try to find a 1400 map of Europe. Hmm... here's one:
Holy Roman Empire (France, Italy, some German states) - Blue
Kingdom Of Castile (spain, Morroco) - Purple
A united Ireland - light Green
Larger Scotland - Dark Green
Smaller England - Orange
Union of Kalmar (Scandinavia etc) - grey Green
Hanseatic League - light Brown
Tutonic Order - Grey Brown
Bohemia - Cream
Wittlesbach League - Dark Red
Venice - Blue Green
Hungary - Lighter Brown
Galacia - Brown
Serbia-Romea - light purple
Turkey - Gold
So is that red thing the Golden Horde, which i doubt. Or something else?i.e. whats the red thingy.
Kingdom Of Castile (spain, Morroco) - Purple
A united Ireland - light Green
Larger Scotland - Dark Green
Smaller England - Orange
Union of Kalmar (Scandinavia etc) - grey Green
Hanseatic League - light Brown
Tutonic Order - Grey Brown
Bohemia - Cream
Wittlesbach League - Dark Red
Venice - Blue Green
Hungary - Lighter Brown
Galacia - Brown
Serbia-Romea - light purple
Turkey - Gold
So is that red thing the Golden Horde, which i doubt. Or something else?i.e. whats the red thingy.
Insane_Panda
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Dark red is bohemia!!!!
Wittelsbach league is cream.
Dude, an entire Muslim emirate (I think, must double-check) was named after one of those. I think.Kal'thzar said:
Pskov rules! Has anyone seen Alexander Nevsky, Sergei Eisenstein's movie? I've heard about it, especially the battle on the lake, and want to know more...
Something to do with the Byzantines? They have a lot more European land than normal, but the Asiatic side looks about the same, so it might not be Manzikert. Something about the Teutons doesn't look normal either, and the Golden Horde is freaking huge. Maybe...the Mongols come again after their retreat when Ogadai dies, and they take a lot more European land. Byzantium takes the opportunity to grab more of the Balkans in the confusion, and the Teutonic Knights somehow stop the Mongol hordes, which then break up? Dunno, this is hard.
thought i'd make a suggestion for a WW2/Great War NES.
IN 1862, the Great War began. After devastating trench warfare between Washington and Richmond, and the similar bloody fighting near Chatanooga and Vicksburg, the French and several other Europeon nations saw the means to rebuild an American empire and joined alongside the Confederate States. Needless to say the British could not allow extensive French influence in the New World. Soon after, the British Empire declared for the United States. Now in the Americas and Europe war raged. By the end of the war the sides were thus:
USA, Britian, Germany, Italy vs. France, Spain, CSA, and Brazil
The war raged until 1869 when peace was finally signed and the American Civil War and the Great War were finally over. The CSA is gone, France humbled and Spain without an empire. The British Empire is larger than ever before having taken the majority of remaining Spainish and French colonies across the globe. Italy and Germany have been united at France's expense and by 1914 the world seems once more ready for another round of conflict as rebellions seethe across the American South and France vows vengence upon its enemies.
IN 1862, the Great War began. After devastating trench warfare between Washington and Richmond, and the similar bloody fighting near Chatanooga and Vicksburg, the French and several other Europeon nations saw the means to rebuild an American empire and joined alongside the Confederate States. Needless to say the British could not allow extensive French influence in the New World. Soon after, the British Empire declared for the United States. Now in the Americas and Europe war raged. By the end of the war the sides were thus:
USA, Britian, Germany, Italy vs. France, Spain, CSA, and Brazil
The war raged until 1869 when peace was finally signed and the American Civil War and the Great War were finally over. The CSA is gone, France humbled and Spain without an empire. The British Empire is larger than ever before having taken the majority of remaining Spainish and French colonies across the globe. Italy and Germany have been united at France's expense and by 1914 the world seems once more ready for another round of conflict as rebellions seethe across the American South and France vows vengence upon its enemies.
The Roman Empire was near its height during the first century A.D. However, in A.D. 9, three Roman legions, approximately 15,000 men, were wiped out by German tribesmen led by Arminius in the Teutoburg Forest. From that point on, Rome made no seriously attempts to conquer what we know today as Germany...
So, what if the Roman legions had defeated the Germanic tribes?
So, what if the Roman legions had defeated the Germanic tribes?
Insane_Panda
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Well, then instead of Rome's border being at the Rhine, it might be pushed father, however Germania would still be quite hard to control, with its dense forests and many many tribes (the forests were ALOT denser than they were today)
The empire's borders would be extended perhaps, but i think that unless something more dramatic would happen, the eventual collapse of the western empire would play out mostly the same, as migrating barbarians from the east move westwards, coupled with internal roman corruption.
Remember, although barbarians took part in the collapse of the empire, it was more the internal problems which led to the empire's collapse.
The empire's borders would be extended perhaps, but i think that unless something more dramatic would happen, the eventual collapse of the western empire would play out mostly the same, as migrating barbarians from the east move westwards, coupled with internal roman corruption.
Remember, although barbarians took part in the collapse of the empire, it was more the internal problems which led to the empire's collapse.
das
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It IS the Golden Horde. That's what it called right now. Its quite different from OTL Golden Horde, and not only territory-wise.
There were two. Does "Koyunlu" sound familiar? Its Turkish for "Sheep".
I saw it, long ago. Only, Alexander was the "ruler" of Novgorod, so its not Pskov you should be hailing.
I already explained. Its not quite the same Byzantium, though it could be called that. The more popular name is "Serbo-Romea". Yes, it DOES have something to do with the Mongols, but, um, I don't think you quite meant what I meant. And the Mongol Hordes broke up like in OTL, for the same reasons.
EQ - I think UK and France on the side of CSA is more likely. That, however, brings in Russia on the side of USA if USA doesn't surrender immediately. Thus Turkey on CSA's side. Prussia - neutral. Austria - probably neutral.
Capulet - there was a reason they stopped doing that, they realized it would be too expensive. Yes, they could have conquered Germany; it would be long and hard, and similar to Dacia, they will have to put down constant local rebellions. The Roman Empire will probably fall much earlier; however, post-Roman states will be much more Roman, at least, some of them will; others, including Britannia, Germannia and Dacia, will be overrun by barbarians. Situation in Middle East depends on the collapse date, but there is a possibility of a Judean state, a Roman-Syrian state, a series of Anatolian statelets and a possibility of all of those being eaten by the Persians. Egypt is independant. Christianity is less widespread in Europe, but probably stronger in the Middle East and North Africa. Xen probably won't mind this scenario too much.
The Romans were commanded by an incompetent political appointment, Quinctilius Varus (sp?), who controlled the Romans on the Rhine in the absence of the normal commander, who was off stomping some other tribe or something, I forget exactly what. He (Varus) acted like a jerk to the Cherusci prince Arminius (aka Hermann, it's where the name comes from in the Rise of Rome scenario in C3C), who decided to let the Romans have it. They were ambushed by the briefly united Germans in the Teutoburg Forest, and over a few days were slaughtered by the uncivilized warriors of the north. Varus died and Augustus Caesar spent the rest of his days crying out, "Quinctilius Varro, give me back my legions!" For a few months Italia was in fear of a German invasion from the north, which (obviously) didn't occur. Rome withdrew from their current frontier along the Elbe and back to the Rhine fortresses, and spent not much else on Germania other than minor stuff like the attacks by Germanicus in Tiberius' reign.
The Romans had considered the German tribes barbarians, as they did virtually everyone else in the world. They counted by nights, not days, spent most of their time in the woods drinking alcoholic products (fermented poop, sometimes) and howling at the moon, ungodly noises that the Romans actually feared. They were known as the "Furor Teutonicus" for their life spent in the forest of that name. If Rome hadn't lost three of her best legions to uncivilized warriors like these (Varus isn't appointed to Germania, Arminius isn't so angry), then Rome wouldn't have to maintain the difficult border along the Alps and the Rhine, and be able to grab extra territory and a shorter frontier, as well as the fighting experience of such tribes as these. Germanic barbarians inflicted enormous casualties on Roman troops later in time, such as the period immediately before Strasbourg (357? AD) and the famous battle at the Catalaunian Fields (Chalons) in 451. Who knows what great geniuses, philosophers, scientists, and generals might have died on fields of slaughter like these? Socrates barely escaped death at Delium in 424 BC, and Western culture and ideas would certainly have been different without him. Perhaps a great mind or few was lost to us, and we will never know, unless das reveals everything that the polar bears tell him.
What about another scenario: At the battle of the Granicus River, in 334 BC, Alexander led one of his typical cavalry charges against the enemy Persians with his elite Companion cavalry. The Persians easily spotted him, and had some time to attack his men as they were across the river, but before the phalanx had gone to the other side. Alexander was attacked by a Persian warrior, and almost fell to a heavy blow, but one of his bodyguards, Cleitus the Black, saw the Persian and ran to Alexander's side, and slew the attacker a split-second before he plunged a spear into his King. What if Cleitus had gone too slowly, and been attacked himself before he could save the King? What would Alexander's death do to the rest of the world?
The Romans had considered the German tribes barbarians, as they did virtually everyone else in the world. They counted by nights, not days, spent most of their time in the woods drinking alcoholic products (fermented poop, sometimes) and howling at the moon, ungodly noises that the Romans actually feared. They were known as the "Furor Teutonicus" for their life spent in the forest of that name. If Rome hadn't lost three of her best legions to uncivilized warriors like these (Varus isn't appointed to Germania, Arminius isn't so angry), then Rome wouldn't have to maintain the difficult border along the Alps and the Rhine, and be able to grab extra territory and a shorter frontier, as well as the fighting experience of such tribes as these. Germanic barbarians inflicted enormous casualties on Roman troops later in time, such as the period immediately before Strasbourg (357? AD) and the famous battle at the Catalaunian Fields (Chalons) in 451. Who knows what great geniuses, philosophers, scientists, and generals might have died on fields of slaughter like these? Socrates barely escaped death at Delium in 424 BC, and Western culture and ideas would certainly have been different without him. Perhaps a great mind or few was lost to us, and we will never know, unless das reveals everything that the polar bears tell him.
What about another scenario: At the battle of the Granicus River, in 334 BC, Alexander led one of his typical cavalry charges against the enemy Persians with his elite Companion cavalry. The Persians easily spotted him, and had some time to attack his men as they were across the river, but before the phalanx had gone to the other side. Alexander was attacked by a Persian warrior, and almost fell to a heavy blow, but one of his bodyguards, Cleitus the Black, saw the Persian and ran to Alexander's side, and slew the attacker a split-second before he plunged a spear into his King. What if Cleitus had gone too slowly, and been attacked himself before he could save the King? What would Alexander's death do to the rest of the world?
@da, not nessacarily, the UK did not appreciate the South's slavery and with French inclinations towards enroaching on the Americas, the duo reasons could be more than enough to influence them to the Union side.
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