Alternate History Thread II...

[Insane_Panda]

Great stuff. Someone needs to make a NES off of this.

Noveau Paris!

 

[North King]

Maybe someone will.

 

[Azale]

yea, someone will.....*cough*

 

[North King]

Well, I gave no one license to... *cough*

 

[TerrisH]

hmm I have an Idea for an Alternat History, but I need infromation of the political situation fron the end of WWII to 1970.

the Basic premis is what is Wepons Grad Nuclar Reactives were Inherently Unstable and got progresivly so at an expotintial rate in relation to quanity and elapsed time? how would the world develop when Nukes were not a Stratigic weapon as they are in this world (mainly, the Mutualy Assured Distruction Teherom of Nuclar Defence), but an Exotic Tactical one (takeing out fortified targets, releave preasure in a critical area), produced in limited Quantities for imidiat use and smallsacle deployment. how would the world develop, would a war develop is such a world?

 

[Insane_Panda]

By someone, I meant someone...*cough*

 

[das]

the Muscovite realm grew its territory by nearly a half again its previous size.

That's... scary. Considering that, to have any chances of attacking Sweden, Muscovy probably already took over Novgorod, twice the Muscovy would be taking a good half out of Lithuania, if not more. IMHO, considering that the Lithuanians still hold all of their own territory, Lithuania would probably just lose Smolensk and a few surrounding areas.

minus Luxembourg

Why that? Luxembourg would be a rather useless, if rich, enclave for the Hussites. Can't see France letting it go, too.

infidel replacing infidel was not that major of a concern.

Powerful, great power infidel replacing a weak, doomed infidel, however...

I also think that the speed of Virginae's colonization is rather unlikely (to reach Mississippi in but a decade, at the time, is IMHO quite a (useless) feat).

Apart from all that, I still am quite enjoying this. Definitely one of the best althists ever done around here.

 

[North King]

Luxembourg is the sole independent duchy in all of Europe left over.

As for Virginae... It's not so much colonization, as a race to see who can claim the most land. At most you have a population of 10,000 Europeans over there by 1500, from all nations. It's not particularly densely populated; the most populated areas are New Paris and New Euskera, which each have maybe 2,000 folk around. The rest of those "cities" are pathetically small in size.

 

[das]

Luxembourg is the sole independent duchy in all of Europe left over.

Yes. Why won't France take over it, especially considering Luxembourg's ties with Burgundy?

As for Virginae... It's not so much colonization, as a race to see who can claim the most land. At most you have a population of 10,000 Europeans over there by 1500, from all nations. It's not particularly densely populated; the most populated areas are New Paris and New Euskera, which each have maybe 2,000 folk around. The rest of those "cities" are pathetically small in size.

That's not my qualm. I don't see them reaching Mississippi so quickly.

 

[North King]

Yes. Why won't France take over it, especially considering Luxembourg's ties with Burgundy?

Ties with Burgundy were overshadowed by ties with Hungary. And the fact that the Luxembourg dynasty was, for a time, the sole power that could oppose the Hussites in German. Nowadays it's more because attacking them would start another great war, which they decidedly do not particularly want at this point.

EDIT: As for the Mississippi: that's what happens when you have French bachelors running around a new world.

EDIT2: Actually, looking back on the timeline, I don't think they did reach the Mississippi yet... >_<

 

[das]

Ties with Burgundy were overshadowed by ties with Hungary. And the fact that the Luxembourg dynasty was, for a time, the sole power that could oppose the Hussites in German. Nowadays it's more because attacking them would start another great war, which they decidedly do not particularly want at this point.

Why would attacking an ENEMY of the Hussites enrage the Hussites? Luxembourg will, according to the map, be entirely surrounded by French territory, so I think the French will just take over it; Luxembourg is a rich city.

EDIT2: Actually, looking back on the timeline, I don't think they did reach the Mississippi yet... >_<

Ooops. I think I mixed up St. Lawrence and Mississippi.

 

[North King]

Why would attacking an ENEMY of the Hussites enrage the Hussites? Luxembourg will, according to the map, be entirely surrounded by French territory, so I think the French will just take over it; Luxembourg is a rich city.

Attacking Luxembourg gains them only a not too happy city to guard, and gives their neighbors a pretext for invasion. There's not that much to be gained, and much to be lost.

 

[das]

gains them only a not too happy city to guard

Why would the Luxembourgoise ( ) be more unhappy than those in all those other cities? The French haven't been stopped by such considerations in Flanders, for instance...

gives their neighbors a pretext for invasion.

You forget that when the peace treaty was signed, their neighbours were stalled and had no way of improving their situation any time soon. IMHO Luxembourg's long-term independence just doesn't make sense; its too good a city to survive when surrounded by a great power.

 

[North King]

Why would the Luxembourgoise ( ) be more unhappy than those in all those other cities? The French haven't been stopped by such considerations in Flanders, for instance...

Which was conquered half a century ago; circumstances have changed.

You forget that when the peace treaty was signed, their neighbours were stalled and had no way of improving their situation any time soon. IMHO Luxembourg's long-term independence just doesn't make sense; its too good a city to survive when surrounded by a great power.

Furthermore, it isn't surrounded. It's in between the two.

 

[das]

Furthermore, it isn't surrounded. It's in between the two.

http://www.euratlas.com/big/1400big.jpg

Western Palatinate has no borders with Luxembourg, neither. So, it is completely surrounded. Therefore, doesn't make any sense for it to remain independent. Admittedly, Avignon did - but Avignon is poor, useless and Papal. I guess I could see Luxembourg remaining independant for now, but it will probably be consumed by France at first opportunity.

 

[North King]

Red, minus Alscae-Lorraine, is Hussites. It's analogous to modern Germany.

 

[das]

What about Rhineland, then?

 

[North King]

What about it?

 

[das]

What about it?

it was decided that all the land West of the Rheine, minus Luxembourg and the Western Palatinate, would go to France.

BUT

It's analogous to modern Germany.

Which one?

 

[North King]

Frankly, those are about the same thing, and I've never been a stickler for the French-German border in any NES...