Alternative Map for DOC

[Temujin8k]

The location J422 proposed is exactly what I had in mind.

Should it be Dijon instead? It is an important city in the Kingdom of Burgundy, anyway. But it'd be fine too if it should really be Lyon.

Edit: Does anyone have suggestions how to enlarge Korea without distorting it?

I suggest enlarging it 1 tile east and 1 tile south, then shifting Japan 1 tile east to adjust. Something like this (Japan not yet shifted):

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In comparison, here is the original one you made:

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[LAF1994]

With a map of this size those mountains e.g. in Persia are alright and actually become necessary in my opinion to give some texture to it. Also I see no reason to turn the Nile and Mesopotamian river beds to anything other than desert.

Well, the reason I suggested changing the way mountains work is that mountains in Civ4 essentially act as 'useless' tiles that only serve to block movement, so having fewer of them would mean more space.
The reason I suggested changing the Nile/Mesopotamia is that currently those regions are somewhat more 'desolate' than they ought to be (historically both were pretty densely populated). Alternatively you could add a couple of extra grain resources (especially in Egypt).

 

[Leoreth]

When I try to load the savefile for the larger map, I get an error message that says "failed to uncompress game data"

Oh, it's a savegame, then it's not surprising that it doesn't work. I'll try to export it as a scenario later.

Well, the reason I suggested changing the way mountains work is that mountains in Civ4 essentially act as 'useless' tiles that only serve to block movement, so having fewer of them would mean more space.
The reason I suggested changing the Nile/Mesopotamia is that currently those regions are somewhat more 'desolate' than they ought to be (historically both were pretty densely populated). Alternatively you could add a couple of extra grain resources (especially in Egypt).

Blocking movement is not always bad, depending on the actual terrain. We have enough space in this map to not make compromises like that anymore.

 

[AtlantaMarty]

Oh, it's a savegame, then it's not surprising that it doesn't work. I'll try to export it as a scenario later.

Awesome - Thanks!

Also, here's my proposal for city layout in Central Europe.

 

[Bautos42]

Here is a look how I envisioned the city placement in Europe.

 

[Bautos42]

Some further screenshots.
Edit: I forgot to change the names of the Egyptian and Babylonian cities, the cities are supposed to be Alexandria, Memphis/Cairo, Thebes/Luxor, Babil/Baghdad and Ur/Basra

 

[merijn_v1]

I think the following city placement is more accurate:
Lyon 1S (current tile is Dijon)
Cordoba 1N
Edinburgh 1S (current tile is Inverness)
Munich 1E
Rome 1SE (Rome is about halfway in Italy. But I think this requires Italy to be reshaped a bit)
Buda 1W (Buda was historically west of the Danube)
Riga 1SW (It is at the bottom point of the Gulf of Riga)
St. Petersburg 1N
Krakow 1SW
Dublin 1N

 

[AtlantaMarty]

I think the following city placement is more accurate:
Lyon 1S (current tile is Dijon)
Cordoba 1N
Edinburgh 1S (current tile is Inverness)
Munich 1E
Rome 1SE (Rome is about halfway in Italy. But I think this requires Italy to be reshaped a bit)
Buda 1W (Buda was historically west of the Danube)
Riga 1SW (It is at the bottom point of the Gulf of Riga)
St. Petersburg 1N
Krakow 1SW
Dublin 1N

I agree with most of this but Cracow should be 2W, not 1SW IMHO. It seems more accurate to me.
Also Koenigsberg should be 1NE

 

[Bautos42]

I think the following city placement is more accurate:
Lyon 1S (current tile is Dijon)
Cordoba 1N
Edinburgh 1S (current tile is Inverness)
Munich 1E
Rome 1SE (Rome is about halfway in Italy. But I think this requires Italy to be reshaped a bit)
Buda 1W (Buda was historically west of the Danube)
Riga 1SW (It is at the bottom point of the Gulf of Riga)
St. Petersburg 1N
Krakow 1SW
Dublin 1N

The locations for Cordoba, Edinburgh, Lyon, Munich, Buda and Riga are just better cities that way.

 

[star15389]

Why is the Wheat south of London in Wessex? I think the best land in England for wheat farming is in East Anglia, where the Wheat was in the original RFC. Could be a river there too so no overall yield difference. Though it wouldn't be bad if England had two Wheats I don't think, maybe a dynamic resource could appear around the time of the Agricultural Revolution

 

[DC123456789]

Here is a look how I envisioned the city placement in Europe.

Gothenburg, but not Copenhagen?

 

[Leoreth]

Honestly I think Denmark should be one tile taller.

 

[inthesomeday]

I really like Bautos' Balkan region

 

[Bautos42]

Gothenburg, but not Copenhagen?

I just forgot Copenhagen, but it should be obvious where to put it.

 

[star15389]

This may have been discussed before, but what do people think about having a land connection between Denmark and Sweden? Copenhagan would be located 2E of the Cow instead of 1E. Would make things easier on the Viking AI, make Copenhagen a more valuable city that would also squeeze Hamburg less, and ships having to sail through the Copenhagan canal captures the reality of shipping through the Skagerrak at least as well as the totally open waterway that exists right now

 

[Alexius08]

This may have been discussed before, but what do people think about having a land connection between Denmark and Sweden? Copenhagen would be located 2E of the Cow instead of 1E. Would make things easier on the Viking AI, make Copenhagen a more valuable city that would also squeeze Hamburg less, and ships having to sail through the Copenhagen canal captures the reality of shipping through the Skagerrak at least as well as the totally open waterway that exists right now

AI Vikings would definitely benefit from this, as reinforcements for Copenhagen may now come directly from Sweden rather than marching them through the coasts of the Baltic Sea (which is not always available). I rarely see the AI use ships to send reinforcements to areas separated from their main territory by water.

 

[Leoreth]

The AI is basically tought to do that only for different landmasses. So the only solution to this problem would be to declare Scandinavia a different continent.

 

[Temujin8k]

I think the following city placement is more accurate:
Lyon 1S (current tile is Dijon)
Cordoba 1N
Edinburgh 1S (current tile is Inverness)
Munich 1E
Rome 1SE (Rome is about halfway in Italy. But I think this requires Italy to be reshaped a bit)
Buda 1W (Buda was historically west of the Danube)
Riga 1SW (It is at the bottom point of the Gulf of Riga)
St. Petersburg 1N
Krakow 1SW
Dublin 1N

I agree, except:
Rome (It's already on its correct spot; rather, the river should be the one shifted 1SW)
Krakow (1S2W seems better, instead)
Riga (Bautos' statement)

The locations for Cordoba, Edinburgh, Lyon, Munich, Buda and Riga are just better cities that way.

Cordoba: Reasonable, but maybe it can be renamed to Seville on Reconquista? Idk.
Lyon: Looks really off to me. Imo we can use that tile still, but rename it to Dijon? (Sorry, OCD kicking in, but I guess it's your decision, after all! )
Buda: Another option is to rename it to Pest. Anyway, it'll eventually become Budapest regardless.
Munich: Aside from @merijn_v1's suggestion, I also suggest moving Prague 1E.
Edinburgh: It's fine, maybe. I'm actually planning to add more resources in general, anyway. Besides, I don't think there's going to be much overlap, anyway, especially if York (Edinburgh 2S2E) is settled instead of Manchester (Edinburgh 3S1E).

 

[DC123456789]

I think Lyon was more important overall, Dijon was only particularly important in the Middle Ages.

 

[ales_]

Yes, Lyon was already a very important city in Roman times.