Am I the only one missing Sweden as a Civ?

[jollycynic]

There are other Civs I'd rather have (Hebrews IMHO (not wanting to start THAT arguement)), but I think the civs chosen were all good choices (at least in of themselves, not considering other civs already in).

However... if they HAD included Sweden I'd been very much in favor of it, and yes I'd rather have them then the HRE personally... or Byzantines, but that's my personal taste.

If they did have them in a future (if any) expansion, I'd hope they have Gustavus Adolphus leading Sweden. A) I actually know who he is B) What I do know is positive.

I agree about the hebrews/israel. The simple fact is that 6000 years of near constant warfare with everyone basically naturally selected/molded them into one of the most fearsome peoples you could ever pray to not end up in a war against. Hm...King David? Prot/Spi? I dunno, my familiarity with the old testament (hebrew scriptures to the jews) is somewhat lacking.

 

[Öjevind Lång]

sweden is a . .. .. .. . country, its the shame of scandinavia
those dicks betrayed Norway during ww2 by letting the nazis walk through their country

And you Norwegians betrayed your coutnry by not fighting. Apart from a little symbolic fighting in the north, you just sat there with slack jaws and let them take over Norway. Then you meekly installed Vidkun Quisling as a German puppet and handed over all the Norwegian Jews who didn't flee to Sweden in time to the Nazis for gassing. Not to mention all the Norwegians who volunteered for the SS Division Nordland.

 

[Mr. Simpson]

And you Norwegians betrayed your country by not fighting. Apart from a little symbolic fighting in the north, you just sat there with slack jaws and let them take over Norway. Then you meekly installed Vidkun Quisling as a German puppet and handed over all the Norwegian Jews who didn't flee to Sweden in time to the Nazis for gassing. Not to mention all the Norwegians who volunteered for the SS Division Nordland.

1. vidkun quisling TOOK the power, we didnt want him.
2. Norway were one of the nations who did most resistance during ww2.
Even if our army were weak, the germans had to have ALOT of soldiers because we did lots of sabotage operations.

so read a history book before you come with stupid comments you dirty swedish

 

[bestbrian]

Guys, don't go crazy over this. Red meat was thrown into this cage to see if anyone would bite; you guys are being manipulated to provide someone their entertainment. Just be cool.

 

[Mr. Simpson]

Guys, don't go crazy over this. Red meat was thrown into this cage to see if anyone would bite; you guys are being manipulated to provide someone their entertainment. Just be cool.

your right, sorry
but he came with false information so I felt like I had to answer it

 

[Öjevind Lång]

1. vidkun quisling TOOK the power, we didnt want him.
2. Norway were one of the nations who did most resistance during ww2.
Even if our army were weak, the germans had to have ALOT of soldiers because we did lots of sabotage operations.

so read a history book before you come with stupid comments you dirty swedish

1. Quisling had many willing Norwegian helpers. And what is this bragging claim that "We didn't want him"? I bet you weren't even born then.
2. Norway did very little resistance during WWII. For starters, the troops in southern and central Norway did not fire a shot when the German troops steamed past them. I recommend you to read Richard Petrow: "The Bitter Years", about Denmark and Norway under the German occupation. He describes the wide-spread Norwegian collaboration with the Nazis and the passivity of Milorg, the central command of the Norwegian resistance movement, and how this passivity was obeyed to the letter. Milorg did not want to resist the Germans, not even when the Germans were weakened towards the end of the war; they wanted the "resistance movement" to form a reserve army prepared to take power after the war and preclude a Communist takeover. At the same time as the Norwegian resistance sat on their fannies, partisans were active in Poland, Yugoslavia, Slovakia, France and other countries; despite present-day anti-French mythology, many thousands of Frenchmen laid down their lives for the Allied cause. Petrow's conclusion is that if everybody else had been as passive as Norway, then the Nazis would have won the war.
3. As for "Norway were one of the nations who" and "you dirty swedish", it really says everything about your mental level, your English skills and your spelling abilites. I made my previous post because I wanted to show you what happens when a an inbred Norwegian redneck ignoramus tries to write about history. Now go back home; supper is ready and then it's time for bed.

 

[Mr. Simpson]

1. thats true, but most norwegians were AGAINST the nazis
2. nope, Norwegians did alot of resistance. but the millitary didnt. Civilians did lots of sabotage operations, like blowing up railroads and the famous "tungtvann" operation.
The reason Norway couldnt do as much resistance as we could, is that the politicians of Norway cut back on millitary budgets before the war.

If we didnt do much resistance, how come Germany had to have so many soldiers stationed here? Read your history book little kid and try again in a few years, maybe youll be smart enough to insult me proparly then.

And dont bother answering this post, bcause I have unsubscribed from this thread so I wont read it anyway.

 

[blitzkrieg1980]

It's all fake. Aliens created humanity in our year 1950. Anyone born before then is actually an alien. History and everything was created by biological-nanomachines that have implanted themselves into our brains. In 2012, the mothership will return.



J/k. I just think everyone's getting very heated about this stuff and it's all history and none of what's being discussed is going to teach us about what to avoid in the future. Don't appease a-holes, don't let countries get away with whatever they want because you think (or they have you thinking) they've been victimized. Beware world governments. There. That's it. What you need to know about all that history.

 

[Wodan]

WWII was a farked up situation on all sides. Nobody was prepared to fight, except Germany. Hitler was looking for pretexts to DOW countries, to take advantage of his war machine while they were still unprepared. Everybody else was looking for ways to appease them and get them to attack somebody else.

Which, by the way, is probably the reason he failed in the end. He got into a multi-front war. If he hadn't been gulled by the lack of preparedness of everybody, he might not have invaded so many other nations. The smart thing would have been to attack the low countries, Poland, and France (and leave Britain and Russia alone), and spend 10 years consolidating them and turning them into the German Union or whatever.

Anyway this is all beside the point.

Sweden's pre-eminence was Gustav II Adolph, for sure, during the 30 years war. That might make them worthy of being a Civ.

Anyone read Eric Flint 1632 (etc.)?

 

[blitzkrieg1980]

Hitler would have been nothing without the help of English and American international bankers. Thanks bankers... I always knew there was SOMEONE worse than lawyers.

 

[jollycynic]

the bankers like most people didnt really believe that he would follow through with all his rhetoric (after all, when has a politician ever delivered on all his campaign promises?). All they saw was an opportunity to make a buck off of a nation pulling itself up out of the mire of the worst economic depression/stagnation in human history.

 

[blitzkrieg1980]

What are you talking about? They lent him all that money to produce war machines to pick up the economy. That's what a military-industrial complex is. Just like they did the same for England/America and whoever else needed all that money to produce war machines. Just like they did in WWI.

Nothing's better for an international banker than funding a war on both sides. Besides, how do you know what they were thinking?

 

[Danielos]

Didn´t the Norweigans sank the heavy cruiser Blûcher in the Oslo fjord and sabotaged German production of heavy water for their nuclear program?

I´m Swedish by the way...

 

[Mr. Simpson]

yeah, thats true

 

[Xellos-_^]

WWII was a farked up situation on all sides. Nobody was prepared to fight, except Germany. Hitler was looking for pretexts to DOW countries, to take advantage of his war machine while they were still unprepared. Everybody else was looking for ways to appease them and get them to attack somebody else.

Which, by the way, is probably the reason he failed in the end. He got into a multi-front war. If he hadn't been gulled by the lack of preparedness of everybody, he might not have invaded so many other nations. The smart thing would have been to attack the low countries, Poland, and France (and leave Britain and Russia alone), and spend 10 years consolidating them and turning them into the German Union or whatever.

Anyway this is all beside the point.

Sweden's pre-eminence was Gustav II Adolph, for sure, during the 30 years war. That might make them worthy of being a Civ.

Anyone read Eric Flint 1632 (etc.)?

i kinda wonder how many people voted "YES" read 1632 and how many voted "NO" didn't read 1632

 

[Wodan]

Irrelevant, except wherein popular opinion weighs in on the game.

Might as well say, how many people voted "yes" Hitler should be in the game. Hitler, as a villain in popular culture, has a darn good publicist.

Personally, I'd rather Gustavus Adolphus be in than Hitler. Just me.

 

[bestbrian]

Irrelevant, except wherein popular opinion weighs in on the game.

Might as well say, how many people voted "yes" Hitler should be in the game. Hitler, as a villain in popular culture, has a darn good publicist.

Personally, I'd rather Gustavus Adolphus be in than Hitler. Just me.

No, not just you, myself as well. Then again, I'd take Pol Pot or Speedy Gonzalez ahead of Hitler.

As a history buff, I find it kind of sad the deciding factor of votes for Gustav is a second-rate alternate history sci-fi novel.

 

[Bluestew0]

yeah, thats true

I thought you weren't going to read this thread anymore? Just having a bit of sport with you, enjoy!

 

[Öjevind Lång]

1. thats true, but most norwegians were AGAINST the nazis
2. nope, Norwegians did alot of resistance. but the millitary didnt. Civilians did lots of sabotage operations, like blowing up railroads and the famous "tungtvann" operation.
The reason Norway couldnt do as much resistance as we could, is that the politicians of Norway cut back on millitary budgets before the war.

If we didnt do much resistance, how come Germany had to have so many soldiers stationed here? Read your history book little kid and try again in a few years, maybe youll be smart enough to insult me proparly then.

And dont bother answering this post, bcause I have unsubscribed from this thread so I wont read it anyway.

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The reason the Norwegians didn't resist the Germans is that they didn't resist the Germans.

The Germans gradually replaced the original soldiers in Norway with cripples, teenage kids and men in their forties. Being stationed in Norway was tantamount to being on extended leave.

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[Öjevind Lång]

Didn´t the Norweigans sank the heavy cruiser Blûcher in the Oslo fjord and sabotaged German production of heavy water for their nuclear program?

I´m Swedish by the way...

The Blücher was sunk on the orders of Otto Ruge, the commander of the fort of Oscarsborg. Unlike *every other officer in the Norwegian army*, he actually reacted when he saw German warships sail past and ordered his troops to fire, instead of phoning Oslo for instructions. (In Oslo, they dithered until the capture of southern Norway was a fait accompli.)

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