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American National Identity

Trajan12

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For those of you who haven't heard, the Bradley Report, has made some interesting findings on America's identity issue.

Basically, America's "National Identity" is losing out for several reasons. The increased amount of importance being played on ethnic identity(as seen in the "Demographic Demagoguery" this primary season) which has long caused division, the shocking lack of education high school level students have on basic American History and the Constitution, The strong and passionate divide about Unregistered Immigrants living here in America, and so on and so forth.

I've long held the belief that Republicans would benefit well from attacking patriotism from another angle. The majority of liberals, patriotic liberals even, cringe out of reflex whenever they hear Republicans blathering about patriotism.

So what I'm proposing is that a new form of patriotic rhetoric be adopted. A much more all inclusive form. This should not only emphasize the inclusion of all people in the American Identity. It should deemphasize divisions along ethnic and religious and political lines. Many times one is used without the other to no avail.

It should also free itself of the connotation of their being a stereotypical or archetypal American. Often times the promotion of this image is turns others off.

To win the General Election, one candidate is going to have to build a broad and inclusive coalition. And in order to keep that coalition stable, divisions must be heavily deemphasized. An article I read recently talked about the problem of the democrats holding together a broad 'multicultural' coalition being that they have to walk on eggshells not to offend anyone or to make anyone feel less important. Deemphasizing the differences altogether would alleviate that issue. And beyond the General Election and into the future, students need to be much better educated about the history of America from a non ethno-centrist or ethno-apologist perspective. So there should be no "(Ethnicity) History Month", and no "(Ethnicity) owes (Ethnicity) for (X act)", or "(Ethnicity/Immigrants) are the cause of (Problem)".

A lot of politicians pay lip service to this ideal, and look where it's gotten us now. They just believe that they can hack away at divisions and a unified identity will form. It doesn't work like that. Conservatives are on the right track with their opposition to things like 'Black History Month' or the NAACP, but where they fail is in seeing the root cause of organizations like these. Which would be the failure to be convincingly inclusive. Black History Month exists because people didn't believe the history and accomplishments of Blacks in America was ever being taught about. So to just strike that down does not alleviate the cause of it ever being in the first place. What would need to be done is to strike it down with the reassurance that, as every American should be an American and nothing more, Black History should be adequately included in general American history and not isolated for a special month or neglected. This is only one example of ways that the attempt to form a national identity(I'm opposed to using this as it brings me back to the issue with the "Archetypal American" as opposed to ethnic identities is lacking.

Lastly I think that the pride in diversity should place more emphasis in diversity among individuals than among ethnic groups.

Phew, these thoughts all seem haphazard and unorganized, apologies.

Discuss.
 
How about something along the lines of "There are not Red States or Blues States but the United States of America"
 
Believe it or not, American national identity is a LOT stronger, clearer and more definable than Britain or Australia. It's all that freedom and liberal democratic type stuff y'all can quote by rote. Ask an American or Frenchman what their country stands for and they can give you a snappy, broadly acceptable reply in a few sentences. We can't really do that.

You're right that stronger emphasis on the fact that "an American" isn't necessarily or preferably white, christian, or male, would probably help. That last big paragraph is a good one. You can't wish away difference-based inequality by pretending difference doesn't exist just like claiming not to see gender or race doesn't make it go away. You have to fight the inequality and make the difference cease to exist.
 
Get yourselves a better name first. Like "Brazil", "Colombia", Vespucia... whatever, as long as you don't think you're the whole continent.
 
Get yourselves a better name first. Like "Brazil", "Colombia", Vespucia... whatever, as long as you don't think you're the whole continent.

This has...nothing to do with the thread at hand and kinda insults the level of discussion that the thread hopes to reach.

:)
 
Get yourselves a better name first. Like "Brazil", "Colombia", Vespucia... whatever, as long as you don't think you're the whole continent.

We would have named ourselves Columbia, but New Granada stole it.
 
America is more than just a country. It's an idea. That idea, I think, is our national identity. The idea of freedom, human rights, and all that wonderful jazz.

Yes, I know, there are pessimists (always will be) who will whine about how Amerikkka has failed, but I think the idea is and will be always there.
 
Our name is Colombia, not Columbia. :rolleyes:
You can't exactly name another country with a single letter difference, can you?
 
You can't exactly name another country with a single letter difference, can you?

Works for Iran and Iraq and for Chad and Chud
 
How dare you disparage the proud cultural history of non-western countries?

Why, there should be a non-western history month just for that! A non-western history YEAR even! EVERY year!

:-D

That said, I agree with the fundamental idea of the first post. America *needs* to become more inclusive (as does Canada, and particularly Québec. So long as Quebecers try to cast history as them (English) and us (French), we're not going to get anywhere. There is a sizeable English-Quebecer minority, and they are every inch as much, and in some case more important to the history and culture of Québec that eventually emerged as the French-Quebecer majority.)

A big part of the problem is indeed that pepole mistake "no longer officialy discriminating" for "integration". It's not integration to keep the old history books that barely mention black except to say "Oh, and we had slaves, and that's why we fought the civil war. Also later there was segregation, and we had to send the army to force people to open the university doors to blacks in the Evil South. That's also why there are black people in the United States". That's just legal equality. Integration would be to treat them as an integral part of the United States, and their history as an integral part of the history of the United States. Who were the slaves, where did they come from, how were they moved? This shouldn't be part of a black history month. It should be among the most important things covered in American history classes.
 
Well, America is no longer the most popular guy at the international party, so Americans feel a need to either disown thier American cultural identity, or defend it fiercely. For example, some people are agast at the idea that Mexicans are crossing the border in droves, while others would just as soon rename the country North Mexico and have a great big piniata party for everybody.
 
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