Analysis of Romney's defeat

The question is, is the anti-Latino rhetoric pure rhetoric or genuine conviction? And if it's the former, would it be worth it to drop the rhetoric and lose the voters to whom it appeals?


I think it's very mixed. The problem is not even the majority of the party membership, I don't think. Conservatism and nativism don't always go hand in hand, but they commonly do. Same with racism. The thing the Republican leadership doesn't get is that it doesn't actually have to be either nativist or racist to hold on to the votes of those who are those things. But if they do chose to pander to those extreme parts of the party, as they also pander to the religious extremists, then they can't help but alienate themselves from many other groups. The Asians generally are not Christian. 2-2.5million of them are Muslim. And the anti-Muslim rhetoric of the past decade certainly alienates that part of the population. But it also gives pause to the rest of the Asians who are not Muslim, but also not Christian.

So you have 3 fringe groups that the Republicans are pandering to, even though they don't really need to do so. And by doing so they cannot help but alienate the voters they will need in the future. If the Democrats ever actually went back to a pro-economy message that they abandoned in the 1980s when they started becoming more conservative then the Republicans really would be crushed.

As to how much of it is conviction, certainly for a portion of Republicans it is. But for the rest of them it's just pandering for votes.
 
You need to simply let your leadership pick a candidate next time and not have a primary. Trust me. Your primaries will destroy you for the near future.


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You need to simply let your leadership pick a candidate next time and not have a primary. Trust me. Your primaries will destroy you for the near future.
Get out. Move to the UK, anti-American scum.

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Get out. Move to the UK, anti-American scum.

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Hey, they have a choice. It's not like party primaries are in the constitution or something.

I was suggesting that they not have a primary. They are free to do as they wish and lose next time as well ;)

EDIT: Does the UK not have primaries or something?
 
One thing that hasn't been mentioned was Obama's turnout effort. Romney's internal modelling had him up in Ohio and tied in PA (lol). And then Obama's machinery went to work and more people showed up than Republicans had ever imagined.

Can't leave out the demographics. Romney received about the same percentage of the white vote as previous Republicans in recent elections. But the white vote is a declining share of the whole vote. And minorities are increasingly alienated from the Republicans. This is the Republicans own strategy to drive the minorities away. Maybe not their intent, but certainly their actions, and even more their rhetoric. It's not just that they've lost virtually all the black vote, but now have lost 3/4 of both the hispanic and Asian vote. And they simply cannot afford to lose all 3 groups just to maintain their lock on the most extreme part of the white vote.

Now that aside, I do not like how Obama won this. It was winning ugly. There was not nearly enough of saying why we should vote for Obama, but rather why we should vote against Romney. As a strategic and tactical exercise, you have to say Team Obama chose their targets well, and that was the deciding factor. But nowhere was there a "this is why you should by in to my programs", and that I think in the long run leaves him without a mandate.

The flip side is that Romney really was the wrong candidate. No one really thought he was sincere or even informed of the issues. He was just "not Obama" in the way that Obama was "not Bush". And that wasn't enough because Obama was at least somewhat more than "not Bush" while Romney was not more than "not Obama". And Bush was more of a liability in 2008 than Obama was in 2012.

Eh... according to exit polling, 90% of Obama's voters were voting for him not against Romney. Romney's voters were much less clear: ~37% against Obama than for Romney.
 
Hey, they have a choice. It's not like party primaries are in the constitution or something.

I was suggesting that they not have a primary. They are free to do as they wish and lose next time as well ;)

EDIT: Does the UK not have primaries or something?
In the UK, the party leader - who forms a government and becomes Prime Minister once his or her party and/or coalition commands enough votes in the Commons - is chosen by the party itself. British subjects vote for their local MPs, not for parties per se (although depending on where you are and the state of party discipline those are usually very closely related) and certainly not for the Prime Minister.
 
Yes, but the party leader is chosen after a leadership race.
 
Yes, but the party leader is chosen after a leadership race.
Yeah, the leadership contests that only even became open to the general mass of party members in, what, the nineties? And still, only like a couple hundred thousand people vote in those (and due to the quasi-Prussian three-class voting system of MPs/MEPs-members-affiliated members their votes don't even necessarily count for much). At least primaries have a veneer of democracy.
 
Dont see as it matters. He lost.
Now we should focus on how to stop Obama

Why? It is the "will" of the majority vote for the next four years, unless of course war brakes out.

The ability to vote is what determines the will of the people. If you do not want a king or dictator, then start teaching the kids in school today what you want them to vote for in 20 years. The reason that we have Obama, is simply that is what the people have been taught to expect in the last 30 years.
 
Republicans focused too much on stuff like abortion and rape, which probably turned off some potential female voters.

The party really needs to distance it'self from the cliche of being a party of and for (old) white, christian heterosexual males.
 
Ahh, screw it. I can't let this go unanswered.
FIRST, YOUR RESPONSES:

3) He should have spent more on advertising early in the summer to counter Obama's "kill Romney" strategy.
Yes, in retrospect, this was a significant tactical error. For a guy whose major argument was how good he was with money, the Romney campaign did not manage their resources well. They waited until the last moment to buy TV ads, locking them into higher rates, and didn't present a compelling counter-narrative to the one Obama build for him in the summer. Part of that has to do with the kind of candidate Romney is, and part of that was just not spending money on the right things at the right time.

Mitt did however, find time to give higher staff members very generous bonuses, some above 30K. 30K staffs an entire field office that will make 10,000+ voter contacts over 3 months. Dumb.


I think it's simpler from all the above. The political demographics have shifted away from the Republican party and their response was to ignore reality.
Yeah, I think this is the single biggest deal. White people, specifically the kind of white men who read the WSJ editorial page, are not enough to win a national presidential election. The Republican party must present credible immigration reform, and must start to actually contest races in CITIES.

One of the great genius moves of 2008 Obama was to build field offices in nearly every state, including ones the Democratic party has no chance of carrying, like Idaho. The thinking is that years of building a sustainable infrastructure will eventually pay off. This is one of the reason they've been able to expand the map, and even steal elections in places like North Dakota. It's time for Republicans to do that in cities. I need to see somebody actually campaigning where I live.
Minorities don't vote for white people in any meaningful numbers and when minorities are growing in number that will have the obvious effect.
Of course they do. Clinton was the most famous, but basically any Democrat who won a statewide election has counted on heavy minority support. That's just a dumb statement.

One thing that hasn't been mentioned was Obama's turnout effort. Romney's internal modelling had him up in Ohio and tied in PA (lol). And then Obama's machinery went to work and more people showed up than Republicans had ever imagined.
THIS. Remember how we all made fun of people like Politico and horserace journalists blowing Nate Silver and his number people? State GOP parties have done that too with field data, which is why OFA is the most sophisticated turnout machine in decades...WAY above most Republican operations.

Republicans will need to build better databases, spend their ad money better, and actually spent some money on field offices and field organizers. If Mittens got McCain's turnout in Ohio, he wins the state.


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Mitt Romney was also a bit of a flawed candidate. He didn't really have a major constituency...Massachusetts wouldn't claim him (he left with an approval rate under 40%). Michigan shunned him...only Utah really embraced him, and if wealthy business consultants and Mormons are the only people really passionate about your election chances, you're toast. Mitt is also kind of an awkward dude, who couldn't attack the President where he was really vulnerable (Health Care).

I'm not sure there was a guy that could survived a GOP primary and still beaten Obama, with the exception of maybe Mitch Daniels. Christie wouldn't have won the primaries.
 
I really do think the primary is the Achilles' heel of the great elephant.

What Downtown is saying, in so many words, is that the Sailer strategy is dead.
 
3) Their platform is too far right from the center, Romney's more moderate positions couldn't make up for the noise from the religious right, war or budget hawks that have scared off independents. In consequence, they should try to move left on a few issues, either socially or economically, and cooperate with the administration more.

This one, mostly. This also fed 2, i.e., Romney's flip flops mostly had to do with him reversing course on the crazy-time positions he held in order to win the primary.

Republicans got a little too excited about the Tea Party surge they received in the midterms in '10, and I think they tried to follow that trend to their demise. That was a blip on the radar in reaction to health insurance reform and now they need to move back from the crazy-time cliff. I think you will witness victors of that surge either moderating themselves (e.g. Rubio) or facing the prospect of becoming less relevant within the party. In this election we saw a very strong message that politicians with nutty political perspectives (e.g. Akin, West, Mourdock) could not be saved by mere party affiliation even in conservative areas.

So to me, the honeymoon is over with the Tea Party. (Libertarians will continue to be irrelevant, for the most part, the same way Green candidates are.) Ironically many socially conservative ideals resonate with minority voters, e.g. blacks, Filipinos, Asians, and Latinos, so the Republicans would do well to actively seek out these voters and actively bury the more overtly "white establishment" ideas in their party. I think W. Bush understood this, as I remember him bucking the trend a little and supporting some ostensibly* Latino-friendly programs.

Since Fox News is so responsible for the Republican message these days they will also need to "get the memo" (or write the memo?) if anything is going to change.

*reasonable minds can differ on how "Latino friendly" these things were of course...
 
I think that one of his main problems was an almost complete lack of specifics or a detailed plan. And, when he or others speaking on his behalf were pressed for details, they either refused or evaded the question. His camp miscalculated that this election was only going to be a referendum on Obama and he didn't really have to present anything himself. That being said, it wasn't the only major reason that he lost.
 
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