Another reason why I hate Utah

[Irish Caesar]

I give the BYU campus credit; I couldn't be bothered to show up to protest Al Gore coming to speak on campus. And I stayed in bed instead of getting up to hear Senator Obama speak on campus, too... the sad thing is, I'm not even kicking myself for it now.

For a church that prides itself on political neutrality, it would have been better to find somebody who was not currently serving in office, such as Jimmy Carter, or George Bush 1. Naturally, we pick the most politically dividing, controverial figure in US politics. Great work guys.

Sorry, just had to laugh that you think Jimmy Carter would be any less divisive than Dick Cheney...

 

[Taliesin]

Simply making their voice heard is fine. A simple protest can do that. That is not what is going on here.

Are you unable to tell the difference?

If your personal level of intolerance is so high that you cant sit for a few minutes and listen to someone speak that you dont agree with, then something is wrong with you.

I dont want them to simply shut up. But I think it just incredibly stupid to take it so far as to require an alternate commencement ceremony because you have no tolerance.

Well, I mean, would you shut up and sit through a ceremony if your hypothetical Christian school had brought in, say, Jean-Paul Sartre, or Bill Clinton? Wouldn't it feel weird and questionable to invite a moral degenerate to address a graduating Christian student body?

 

[MobBoss]

The biggest was telling Jim Jeffords to go F*** himself.

Please. If thats the 'biggest' thing you have to label him morally questionable then thats just silly. Try again please.

Then we have his connections with the US torture policy, shady business practices, his chief of staff being convicted of a crime (and some say to protect Dick), and his all around manner of conducting political business being against what the LDS church preaches.

Oh my god. "Shady business practices"? Nothing shady there buddy, or else it would be investigated and charged three ways to Sunday and you know it. He is legit. And why on earth would you hold him responsible for Scooter Libby purgering himself on the stand? Scooter did that...Cheney didnt.

Plus, you know, he shot a dude in the face.

OH MY GOD. It was an accident. Are you truly THAT intolerant?

We're straight edge, honest people. You dont see LDS politicans involved in political scandal...its one of the reasons we dont see many LDS politicians.

Does that mean you are voting for Mitt Romney?

Dick Cheney doesn't represent the values of Mormonism, similar to the manner that Bill Clinton, Ten Kennedy and Barney Frank don't.

EDIT: <misunderstood comments snipped> My apolgies...I misread the above sentence and withdraw my comment.

Has nothing to do with anything, since I'm not being asked to spreak in front of 40,000 Mormon kids representing the school. I'm a Mormon in good standing. I think you know what that means.

It means you will do things like Clinton, Ted Kennedy and Barney Frank would do and call it good?

Naturally, we pick the most politically dividing, controverial figure in US politics. Great work guys.

I dont think that would be Dick Cheney.

 

[Urederra]

BYU is a private school, but they get federal research money, and BYU students still have to file FAFSA.

To the best of my knowledge, federal research money is granted to a PI, (principal investigator, the guy or guys who submit the grant application) not to an institution. And it is administered and used by the PI to pay for the research, not for student tuitions.

 

[Taliesin]

So, you think an adulterer, irresponsible drunkard and a homosexual that has ties to male prostitution, embrace mormon values better than Dick Cheney?

If that is your moral standard, your 'mormon values', then Mitt Romney just lost my vote.

It means you will do things like Clinton, Ted Kennedy and Barney Frank would do and call it good?

For goodness' sake, go back and read what he said.

 

[MobBoss]

Well, I mean, would you shut up and sit through a ceremony if your hypothetical Christian school had brought in, say, Jean-Paul Sartre, or Bill Clinton? Wouldn't it feel weird and questionable to invite a moral degenerate to address a graduating Christian student body?

YES!...I most certainly would. While I dont agree with Bill Clintons politics, he might be interesting to listen to. For one thing, who among us is perfect? Without sin? No one. So yes, I would indeed listen to Bill Clinton speak, even though I may not agree with what he says.

 

[MobBoss]

i'm sure it happens with the campus repubs when someone like ted kennedy speaks at a college, and i don't mind that either.

Proof please? I am sure the campus repubs might protest, but they wouldnt go to extremes. In the end, they would still listen to the guy speak.

 

[Taliesin]

YES!...I most certainly would. While I dont agree with Bill Clintons politics, he might be interesting to listen to. For one thing, who among us is perfect? Without sin? No one. So yes, I would indeed listen to Bill Clinton speak, even though I may not agree with what he says.

The reason Bill Clinton is analogous isn't really because he has different political views, but because he's an adulterer and a liar, as you were kind enough to note just a few posts up (and as you note whenever his name is mentioned). Given that (and given that you castigate him as an immoral man and a bad role model every chance you get) why wouldn't you question the selection of Bill Clinton to address a Christian university?

 

[MobBoss]

The reason Bill Clinton is analogous isn't really because he has different political views, but because he's an adulterer and a liar, as you were kind enough to note just a few posts up (and as you note whenever his name is mentioned). Given that (and given that you castigate him as an immoral man and a bad role model every chance you get) why wouldn't you question the selection of Bill Clinton to address a Christian university?

Because he happens to be a very important figure in US politics. Just like Dick Cheney is today. Would he be my first choice? No. But if the school selected him for whatever reason, I wouldnt miss my commencement ceremony because of his selection. I would listen to him speak.

 

[Urederra]

One question. Does the meeting have obligatory attendance? If not, I don't see what is the big deal, just don't go.

 

[downtown]

So, you think an adulterer, irresponsible drunkard and a homosexual that has ties to male prostitution, embrace mormon values better than Dick Cheney?

If that is your moral standard, your 'mormon values', then Mitt Romney just lost my vote.

Do you not know how to read? I said that those men DO NOT represent LDS values.

As for Mitt, I won't be voting for him because I'm not allowed to vote in the Republican Primary, and Mitt wont get the nomination, so its moot.

 

[downtown]

Sorry, just had to laugh that you think Jimmy Carter would be any less divisive than Dick Cheney...

If we're talking politically, then yeah, Carter is just as much of a divider as Dick. Carter was a lot of things, but he wasn't an immoral man. He just wrote a book about christian values..that would be relevant, I think, to a christian school.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Proof please? I am sure the campus repubs might protest, but they wouldnt go to extremes. In the end, they would still listen to the guy speak.

i'm not going to look for proof because it doesnt matter to me.

i said i would guess it's happened, just a simple statement of opinion like you make all the time.

trust me, i know some local raider republicans (MTSU's chapter) and there are some that are just as close-minded and ignorant as anyone else. to the point where some only wear anti-democrat shirts.

 

[MobBoss]

Do you not know how to read? I said that those men DO NOT represent LDS values.

Yes, I know how to read. And the first time I read it, it sounded like you endorsed those men. My apologies and thanks for making it clear.

However, I would say Dick Cheney has better moral qualities than those you list for obvious reasons.

As for Mitt, I won't be voting for him because I'm not allowed to vote in the Republican Primary, and Mitt wont get the nomination, so its moot.

Maybe its time for you to register as a republican....you got time to do that and still vote for him in the primary.

 

[MobBoss]

i'm not going to look for proof because it doesnt matter to me.

Then dont make allegations you cant back up.

i said i would guess it's happened, just a simple statement of opinion like you make all the time.

And I am merely asking for proof that your opinion is valid - as I get asked all the time.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Then dont make allegations you cant back up.



And I am merely asking for proof that your opinion is valid - as I get asked all the time.

can you read?

i said i guessed, if i was wrong then i don't mind but i wouldnt be surprised if it happens all the time.

 

[Taliesin]

Because he happens to be a very important figure in US politics. Just like Dick Cheney is today. Would he be my first choice? No. But if the school selected him for whatever reason, I wouldnt miss my commencement ceremony because of his selection. I would listen to him speak.

So, for example, if you were to say things like this:

Sorry, if Bill Clinton is your hero, you need to set your sights higher. The man is a weasel.

...or this:

I know his acts and deeds quite well. And in my opinion, the man has never served anyone but himself.

...or this:

At least the man had the balls to buck his own party and not endorse Clinton for being a sleaze bag the the oval office.

...or this:

[Bozo Erectus: This is an actual prediction: If Giuliani is elected President, we'll all soon be waxing nostalgic for the good old days of the Bush administration. He's the biggest sleazebag that ever reared itself up on two legs.]
Then that will make all the old Clinton lovers perfectly happy.

...or this:

[Sidhe: Your style of dialogue is what I like to call the politicians style, you say much, impart little and answer nothing.]
Why thank you, I did after all grow up with Bill Clinton as governor. He was excellent at it.

should we take it that you still think Mr Clinton an unobjectionable choice to address a Christian university? You would not question your school's entrusting a self-serving weasel sleazebag with your graduation address?

I'm afraid I have to call BS.

 

[Nylan]

Taelisin, you fail to understand MobBoss's point...completely.

He said regardless as to his views on the person he would not miss his commencement just because he heard him speak.

Why is that so hard to believe?

 

[Taliesin]

Taelisin, you fail to understand MobBoss's point...completely.

He said regardless as to his views on the person he would not miss his commencement just because he heard him speak.

Why is that so hard to believe?

It's hard to believe because MobBoss usually shows a decided lack of tolerance for people he considers self-serving lying weasel sleazebags. I'm pretty sure that if faced with the outrage of a degenerate atheist or weasel sleazebag being selected to address his graduating class at a Christian school, he would raise hell, and it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't go. At the very least, I'm quite sure, in the present situation he would sympathise with this protest if it were one against Bill Clinton.

 

[MobBoss]

So, for example, if you were to say things like this:

...or this:

...or this:

...or this:

...or this:


should we take it that you still think Mr Clinton an unobjectionable choice to address a Christian university? You would not question your school's entrusting a self-serving weasel sleazebag with your graduation address?

I'm afraid I have to call BS.

Its not BS. Simply the truth. Do I like the man? No. Do I agree with his politics? No. You have linked all that. But neither would I up and walk out on him IF he were chosen to speak at my commencement ceremony.

Also, where did I say he wasnt 'objectionable'? Would I protest it? Probably. Do I think there would be far, far better choices? Of course. But once my protest was done, I would STILL go to my commencement and listen to what the guy has to say.

Unlike you, I apparently retain the ability to sit and listen to someone for a speech even though I dont like and disagree with them.