"Another World is Possible" -- or is it? What's your view?

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This succinct article is from the current issue of AdBusters. It briefly mentions the Spanish Revolution of the late thirties and how it might be evidence that an alternative to the current neoliberal system is possible. Interestingly enough, the article doesn't mention that purportedly in Rojava a similar experiment in directly democratic social organizing is currently going on by the PKK using the principles of Democratic Confederalism which is supposedly inspired by the ideas of the late Murray Bookchin.

Here's the article in its entirety:

"The Spanish Civil War that occurred between 1936-1939 is always remembered as the fight between the Republicans and Franco’s nationalist semi-fascist forces. However, the war was marked by another, extraordinary event; in 1936, the year of the outbreak of the civil war, the world witnessed the first glimpses of an anarchist revolution. Sam Dolgoff, an American anarcho-syndicalist, stated that the Spanish Revolution “came closer to realizing the ideal of the free stateless society on a vast scale than any other revolution in history.”

The revolution was led by the CNT (Confederación Nacional del Trabajo), a confederation of anarchist and anarcho-syndicalist trade unions. A significant part of Spain’s economy was collectivized and put under direct worker’s control. In Catalonia, workers controlled more than 75% of the economy. We should not imagine Soviet-style forced collectivization, but, as Sam Dogloff said, “a genuine grass roots functional libertarian democracy, where each individual participated directly in the revolutionary reorganization of social life”. George Orwell, who has served as a combatant for the CNT, was able to document the revolution as a first-hand observer. Two short passages from his Homage to Catalonia, published in 1938, illustrate superbly the spirit of the revolution: “[T]here was a belief in the revolution and the future, a feeling of having suddenly emerged into an era of equality and freedom. Human beings were trying to behave as human beings and not as cogs in the capitalist machine,” and “many of the normal motives of civilized life—snobbishness, money-grubbing, fear of the boss, etc.—had simply ceased to exist. The ordinary class-division of society had disappeared to an extent that is almost unthinkable in the money-tainted air of England; there was no one there except the peasants and ourselves and no one owned anyone else as his master.”

Unfortunately, the Spanish anarchist utopia did not last long. The anarchists were crushed by a temporary alliance between all other political parties (including the Communists and the Socialists) and the brief—but real—experience of an anarchist society faded away.

However, an important lesson can be drawn from the anarchist utopia of 1936: another world is possible (which is also the slogan of the World Social Forum). Before discussing anarchism’s possible role in the resistance to the capitalist world order, let’s shortly retrace last century’s main stages of the capitalist system’s consolidation: elites have won the long-lasting struggle against the working class; this was achieved firstly by granting workers some benefits after World War II, notably through the implementation of welfare systems in the West, then by fragmenting them with the increase in specialization of labor and the growth of the service industry during the post-Fordist period and finally by assessing the knockout blow through neoliberal policies, which erased hard-fought social and economic rights, diminished trade unions’ bargaining power and weakened their influence.

The libertarian revolutions of 1968 have also ended up in disappointment. Hopes brought by the “New Left” political movement that emerged from the demands of students, activists and workers, came to a close when economic powers and politics colluded in the 80s, removing the last glimmers of hope that change could happen from within the current political system. The 1980s also marked the beginning of the neoliberal era (deregulation of the financial system, erosion of welfare states, privatization programs, financial crises, cuts to public spending).

Finally, the fall of the Berlin Wall represented the end of the last bastion of ideological resistance against capitalism: communism. Fukuyama’s The End of History and the Last Man main thesis was emblematic in the representation of the world we faced and still face today: the triumph of liberal democracy and capitalism marked the end point of mankind’s ideological and political evolution.

We live in a historically specific cultural paradigm, shaped during the course of the last century through mass media, popular culture and advertising, which converged together and formed our consumer culture and in an economic and political system structured to serve the interests of a small elite. In this scenario, anarchist thought has a dual function of resistance: as a challenge to the neoliberal ideology, and as a possible concrete utopia that can guide us in the construction of a valid alternative social order.

The most accessible ground for us, “the 99%,” through which a radical change can be achieved, is that of ideas. No economic or political revolution can bring genuine change without, stated Serge Latouche, an advocator of the degrowth movement, “the decolonization of our minds” from the ideological framework we find ourselves in. Anarchism challenges the ideas, the dehistoricized and naturalized assumptions, and the taken-for-granted norms of today’s society. In an anarchist society, solidarity would replace individualism; mutual aid would prevail on competition; altruism on egoism; spirituality on materialism; the local on the global. Changing the current global framework of rules first necessitates an individual ideological liberation that can only come through self-awareness. To free our body we must first free our mind."

— Tommaso Segantini, Brussels, Belgium


Do you think there is an alternative to the current system or do you subscribe to the idea of TINA (There Is No Alternative)? Or do you expect the current system to go through continuous reforms or developments?
 
"There Is No Alternative" is a very powerful meme at present in society. This is one way the modern, "rational" world of skepticism behaves far more like a medieval culture than a post-Enlightenment one. It is illogical to insist that present power structures will remain, unchanged, forever. Not only is it illogical, but to suggest so on the societal scale that capitalist mass media does resembles a kind of spiritual fascism of speculative doublethink.

The lip service that much "serious" political writing pays to the idea that the existing post-Cold War consensus of liberal democracies will cooperate peaceably in free market purity forever actively hinders constructive thought. If we condition ourselves as a society to believe that our institutions are perfect and immutable, it becomes impossible for our society to evolve. Mass media has a vested interest in perpetuating the TINA meme regardless of its ridiculousness, precisely because the existing social order is so new and so unstable. The 19th and 20th centuries witnessed the most technological and social change in human history, and the modern social institutions of nation-states and corporations which emerged from that change are some of the youngest social constructs extant in our society. Goldman Sachs and Lehman Brothers are not as storied or as long-lasting as a Chinese dynasty, or as innately compelling as the concept of a family or a tribe. By introducing early on the concept that change is impossible and ridiculous, late capitalist society prejudices its inhabitants against not just dissent, but even constructive criticism.

What the success of the TINA meme has in-arguably done is shield social conservatives from the youth and liberality of the most treasured institutions of "western" society. By portraying the existing counterrevolutionary order as approximate to human nature international capital polices our ability to envision any future at all.

Paeans to the end of history aside, our society is changing now at an incredibly rapid rate, in ways that we can visibly appreciate and in ways that we can't yet comprehend. This point is demonstrative.
 
"Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose", so, in a sense, there is no alternative.
 
Well of you believe in the multiverse hypothesis then there are unlimited earths for every tiny different possible outcome in every individuals life.

But thinking of how limitless such possibilities can be, I cannot agree with that idea.
 
".....What the success of the TINA meme has in-arguably done is shield social conservatives from the youth and liberality of the most treasured institutions of "western" society. By portraying the existing counterrevolutionary order as approximate to human nature international capital polices our ability to envision any future at all."

Pretty powerful comment overall. The whole thing that is. Especially the effects the TINA-meme and I might add Fukuyama's "End of history" rhetoric have had on the often seemingly non-discourse we've had in the past two decades. There's a prevailing assumption it often seems among some that all questions have been answered, even though there is plenty of evidence to the contrary ranging from Chiapas to Rojava, Occupy to anti-austerity, and so on.

Charlie Rose interviewed anthropologist David Graeber almost a decade ago and discussed societal changes and even the revival of old forms of opposition during the post-cold war era.


Link to video.
 
No. Look at your phone. It's got a jillion tiny parts by vast multitude of manufacturers that require an incredible variety of natural resources and artificial materials sourced from all corners of the Earth.

You think anarcho-collectivist baloney can pull off that coordination?
 
No. Look at your phone. It's got a jillion tiny parts by vast multitude of manufacturers that require an incredible variety of natural resources and artificial materials sourced from all corners of the Earth.

You think anarcho-collectivist baloney can pull off that coordination?
Having smart phones is not the pinnacle of human evolution or well-being. Funny you mentioned phones because they score pretty high on both human rights horrors & environmental destructiveness.

Its true though that without inequality its unlikely we'd get so many gizmos.

It seems pretty clear than anarchist movements will always be crushed by organized hierarchical movements. People don't want to be free & without leaders. Maybe for a music fest over a weekend but long term in a large city? Probably not viable.

Saying "What if?" is kind of like wondering what would've happened if white people were routed & ousted by Native Americans, it couldn't have happened, wouldn't have happened.
 
It's not the inequality at work here. It's the market forces, supply chains, and R&D. These are the sort of things that corporations are extremely efficient at. Anarchists by there nature simply aren't organized enough.

With proper legislation the negative environmental and human aspects of corporations can be mitigated.

I'm not here to squelch thought, but note that these sort of idealistic systems vastly underestimate the versatility and efficiency that capitalism actually produces.
 
Having smart phones is not the pinnacle of human evolution or well-being. Funny you mentioned phones because they score pretty high on both human rights horrors & environmental destructiveness.

Then substitute wind turbines for smart phones. All the same horrors with rare earths.
 
Then substitute wind turbines for smart phones. All the same horrors with rare earths.
What do mean by "substitute wind turbines for smart phones"?

It's not the inequality at work here. It's the market forces, supply chains, and R&D. These are the sort of things that corporations are extremely efficient at. Anarchists by there nature simply aren't organized enough.

With proper legislation the negative environmental and human aspects of corporations can be mitigated.

I'm not here to squelch thought, but note that these sort of idealistic systems vastly underestimate the versatility and efficiency that capitalism actually produces.
Problem with capitalism is that its only as efficient as it needs to be. Thats why it needs to be regulated heavily (enivronmentally & human rightswise), otherwise corporations will only think of the bottom line in the present movement or next few months & only of itself & maybe the other industries that affect it rather than the whole picture.

I don't think capitalism is going anywhere at least unless humans fall back to the stone age but with current regulation its got all the sustainability of a out-of-control cocaine addict.
 
What do mean by "substitute wind turbines for smart phones"?

It's not only gizmos that capitalism creates. Basic (basic in the terms of our dependence on it, not its complexity) infrastructure is another thing dependent on long and complex supply chains, hierarchical R&D and so on.
 
All these defenses of international capitalism are pretty ridiculous. Kind of like if I were to talk about how we have feudalism to thank for castles. It's not like you need feudalism to build a fortress. Similarly, you don't need international capital to give you a computer. Information technology, like any other consumer product, is a technological advance that international capital has appropriated as a means of expanding the power of the capitalists. I should clarify, I'm not advocating anarchism. I'm advocating socialism.

What's more ironic is that further advances in technology, especially artificial intelligence and automation, are probably going to bring about a post-scarcity society that will obsolete the existing labor-capital relationship. What we get to decide as a culture is whether the advent of artificial intelligence - which I believe is coming in my lifetime if not ours - will bring about the end of scarcity-based power structures that repress people, or empower a total despotism.

Anyway, accusing me or anyone else arguing against the present state of affairs of pie-in-the-sky idealism is hypocritical. Anyone who takes an honest and fair analysis of where we are as a species and concludes that we have reached the "end of history," and that any further change or evolution in our civilization is superfluous, is just wrong. You're going to look pretty foolish to future generations, predicting that your ten-thousand year Reich is the real deal.
 
Problem with capitalism is that its only as efficient as it needs to be. Thats why it needs to be regulated heavily (enivronmentally & human rightswise), otherwise corporations will only think of the bottom line in the present movement or next few months & only of itself & maybe the other industries that affect it rather than the whole picture.

I don't think capitalism is going anywhere at least unless humans fall back to the stone age but with current regulation its got all the sustainability of a out-of-control cocaine addict.

As far as the environment goes tend to find the proposed conflict between capitalism versus regulation to be a misunderstanding perpetuated by both leftists and right-wingers. Corporations would not be able to exist without the system of laws that define them, so from first glance any argument that regulation itself is anti-capitalist seems highly suspect. In my view corporate environmental damage presents an an [wiki]Externality[/wiki] which impose a cost on other entities (corporate and other) that are not compensated. That is clearly a failure of the government to properly protect the property rights that are the basis of capitalism, so the regulation thereof (providing the regulations meet certain conditions) can be seen as promoting capitalism not negating.

Social Justice and individual welfare though, is where I do think capitalism simply does not work and we need to develop a hybrid system to ensure safety and opportunity for all people.
 
Perfection posted:

"You think anarcho-collectivist baloney can pull off that coordination? "

There's anarcho-syndicalism in which the organized workers at the local level forms a network of Labor Congresses (Bourses du Travail) that interconnect with each other peer-to-peer into regional, national and international federations. During the Spanish Revolution anarcho-syndicalists were reported to have improved conditions and productivity in industry.

And currently in Rojava the following is said to be happening using the principles of Democratic Confederalism (which was inspired by the work of anarchist Murray Bookchin author of Post-Scarcity Anarchism and The Spanish Anarchists: The Heroic Years:

"Communes sort out everyday administration, provided electricity provision and infrastructure, advise on nutrition and liaise around ecological concerns. There are communal cooperatives, too, like bakeries and sewing shops, like agricultural projects." Andy Merrifield - Out of Shadows

Perfection:

"Social Justice and individual welfare though, is where I do think capitalism simply does not work and we need to develop a hybrid system to ensure safety and opportunity for all people."

A dual-power arrangement could address those.
 
Social justice, like consumer activism, affirmative action and peaceful protests is a woefully inadequate means of combating the systemic inequality of modern life. What social justice ultimately accomplishes is just enlarging the ruling class. A pluralist capitalist state is still a capitalist state, and it's extremely dubious in the first place that the power relationships necessary for America's existence could ever be undone.

"The whole damn system" is unacceptable for a democratic society. The path we are on now is a subtle reversal of previous movements to enfranchise repressed segments of society. We are just obscuring the fact of the matter, which is that inequality of race, sexual orientation and religion (et alia) is a cornerstone of our supposedly democratic, egalitarian culture. We can only eliminate it by completely reforming the culture, and to do that we need to disempower the ruling group that created the inequality in the first place as part and parcel to their rise to power.

TL;DR -> We will never achieve "social justice" pluralist equality under capitalism
 
Where is Traitorfish when we need him? This seems right up his alley.

Anyhow, it is just important to keep in mind that "capitalism" is a super nebulous Thing. I mean, any word that can be used to lump together the Attlee government in the UK (or more broadly the entire Post-War Consensus), dirgisme in Gaullist France, 'Reagan Revolution' and Wall Street capitalism, Chinese State Capitalism, and everything in between is not a super fixed definition.
 
What if in another timeline / multiverse, Hitler had won, and not only conquered Europe, but also all of Russia and the rest of Asia too?
 
What if in another timeline / multiverse, Hitler had won, and not only conquered Europe, but also all of Russia and the rest of Asia too?
That would have to be a pretty divergent timeline considering there was no way Hitler was going to defeat the British Commonwealth.
 
As far as the environment goes tend to find the proposed conflict between capitalism versus regulation to be a misunderstanding perpetuated by both leftists and right-wingers. Corporations would not be able to exist without the system of laws that define them, so from first glance any argument that regulation itself is anti-capitalist seems highly suspect. In my view corporate environmental damage presents an an [wiki]Externality[/wiki] which impose a cost on other entities (corporate and other) that are not compensated. That is clearly a failure of the government to properly protect the property rights that are the basis of capitalism, so the regulation thereof (providing the regulations meet certain conditions) can be seen as promoting capitalism not negating.
On a surface level what you've said sounds pretty reasonable & its hard to argue with it.

However, IMO capitalism is about people pursuing whatever economic goals they desire regardless of how the pursuit of those goals affected their fellow man or the environment. This ideals & ideas were spawned in an age of expansionism, colonialism, slavery & conquest that's never before & never since been seen (Genghis Khan has nothing on the European rout of most of the world from the 1500's to 1900's.

To say that just a few minor tweaks & making corporations a little more responsible for their actions is all modern capitalism/corporatism really needs is dangerously naive. Its also what politicians have been promising for centuries & hasn't worked yet.

Social Justice and individual welfare though, is where I do think capitalism simply does not work and we need to develop a hybrid system to ensure safety and opportunity for all people.
Definitely some hybrid, I don't know how folks get so gung-ho about so-and-so from the past (Marx for instance) when its painfully obvious that these figures, however large in their time were pretty far off the mark even then. I'm not hubristic enough to claim some perfect system that will make Earth into a uptopia, I can mostly only note what is not working & note too that simplistic band-aid solutions will inevitably fail.
 
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