Anyone know if its possible / how to get an official record of my browsing history?

[bhavv]

Long story short - I had one of my online accounts hacked by someone using the same dynamic ISP that was also assigned the same GEOIP as me. And no, its not as rare as someone in the same city, but because I use mobile broadband my IP was apparantly all the way in London, plus its the same IP on my (and his / her) mobile phone, and ANY PC I connect it to anywhere in the UK while I'm still connected to the same dynamic server, but the website owner is too un-knowledgeable of such possibilities.

Such

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I already tried contacting my ISP via phone and they said they dont store such information even claiming that doing so is illegal, while under EU law its actualyl illegal for them NOT to store their customers previous 6 months of browsing history. They even told me that the police could access that info, so I called their non emergency number to simply make a query about the possibility, but nope they cant (I even said that my hacked account had been used maliciously to both the ISP and police query, but they dun care).

Which raises the question, if one of my accounts were hacked and used to do illegal things with the same mobile internet IP issue, how would they then be able to access such information if all the above is true?

 

[bhavv]

NVM, got in touch with the police again and explained it in more detail. They said its a case of online identity fraud and they can get a high tech department to look into it, but I have to call again on monday as it is closed over the weekend.

Hopefully I can get my browsing history to just one website ... and not all the porn sites extracted.

The person also pretended to be me and did a lot of naughty things that people across two forums are now harassing me over including a ban on one. Frigging internet!

 

[Kyriakos]

You could always ask NSA for it?

 

[bhavv]

We dont have NSA in the UK I dont think? I was a bit puzzled when they first told me there was nothing they could do, because then how do they find out when people are doing illegal things online?

I just simply need proof it wasnt me by getting my browsing history extracted, I never delete or touch that so it should be possible. Even if its deleted, ISPs are supposed to keep every users previous 6 months of browsing history.

Theres a chance it could somehow all be lies though in which case its libel and just getting loads of people to hate me across multiple forums, in which case I sue the crap out of the site owner.

A tiny little bit of the info, the sites live chat is available for all to see without being logged in, quite an error there Mr forum owner:

Spoiler :

I DID NOT DO THOSE THINGS BUT NOW THEY ALL THINK I DID BECAUSE ONE PERSON SAID SO OMG. Halp police.

 

[Quintillus]

I don't entirely follow the story, but it's likely that your ISP has some sort of records on your (unencrypted) browsing history, most likely the pages viewed. This does vary by country, and within some countries by ISP. And of course, any encrypted sites wouldn't be visible - just that you visited, say, Wikipedia, not which pages you viewed on Wikipedia. Even for non-encrypted sites, I'd be surprised if they had much more than the URL and time, as storing more could quickly require large amounts of space for storage.

 

[bhavv]

Its all ok now, see this video, full info in the video description:


Link to video.

Also solid evidence for libel and defamation:


Link to video.

I'm gonna make some money. I made about 30 posts there and went to sleep. Then I wake up and banned because suddenly there were triple digit spam posts made by me, already deleted (so I thought I was hacked), then the site owner also decided to blame me for making multiple fake accounts when those accounts were made several weeks before I signed up and even visited the page for the first time. Totally libel because presented as fact, not opinion. Monies!!!!

I just need to get the police / my ISP to somehow extract full official data of the times and dates I visited the site, hopefully that's possible and then I sue.

 

[bhavv]

It all happened so fast and I was confused and mad at first, but now I can just dream of all the sweet lawsuit money. Computer illiterate people should not make forums.

 

[Borachio]

Well, who knows what this is all about? I've read it all, and I think I understand, but I'm still somewhat baffled.

 

[bhavv]

It is baffling. I'll try summarising.

- New fansite for video game opens.
- Someone from the official forum starts making multiple false accounts.
- One such account has my name.
- All the above is done early June, long before I join the forum 2 days ago.
- I get the fake account with my name removed by the site owner and get to make my new account.
- I make about 30 posts then go to sleep.
- I wake up and banned. Reasons being I somehow made hundreds of spam posts overnight (first I think must have been hacked), but then also because my IP is the same as the fake accounts person, they immediately conclude I was behind all of those things.
- I spend a day trying to figure out how to get evidence of my browsing history.
- I find from google that running a system restore guarantees restoration of any possible deleted browsing history.
- I record a full system restore, my browsing history before and after, and an example of one of the fake account makers posts dated june 12th.
- After my system restore, it is verified beyond doubt that I hadn't visited the site before June 26th.
- Everyone is still happy to believe the site owners lie that it was definitely me.

Libel and public defamation laws both breached. For evidence I need to show that the person was making factually incorrect statements about me, and not just opinions. Screenshots don't count, videos do. So I video record his posts where he blatantly tells everyone it was me.

Numerous attempts to contact the site owner including sending the system restore video to him via 'contact us page', and messaging him on another forum asking for evidence of the 100+ posts, IP addresses of the fake accounts, and emails tied to the fake accounts were only met with 'OMG stop harassing me and leave me be'.

Lawsuit.

 

[Gary Childress]

You could always ask NSA for it?

Darn, someone beat me to it!

 

[bhavv]

The most annoying thing is the person doing the malicious activity getting away with and enjoying his lol roffles. But there's no way I can make any effort to find out who it actually was because the computer illiterate site owner wont release the fake account's email addresses and IPs (he posts zero evidence other than just saying it was me, and everyone bloody believes it, frigging internets).

Using the internet for over 15 years, and this is the first time I get such a combination of minor identity fraud / pretty major libel. The libel and defamation laws in the UK fully apply to online posts, and I have the required evidence to support it. An official police / ISP search of my full browsing history to the website in question would guarantee me a court win.

 

[Flying Pig]

Is the libel/defamation case not a little tricky when we're working in pseudonyms? I mean, if somebody here wrote things that caused people to think badly of 'Flying Pig', they wouldn't connect that with the real person attached to that account, so I'm not sure you can straightforwardly claim that libel against 'bhavv' is equivalent to libel against (eg.) John Smith. I'm not sure whether it's more a case of a statement like 'the bank manager is an idiot', where the real person's reputation is obviously linked to the name, or more like 'Batman is an idiot': in the latter case, Bruce Wayne's case isn't obviously all that solid. JollyRoger might have some insight, though he is on the wrong side of the pond.

 

[bhavv]

In this case its very obvious though. I found this solicitors website and sent them a free message with all the info:

http://www.carruthers-law.co.uk/wha...9dDLIRtxAZUc3QtzmwMPMhoC-tLw_wcB#.VY_05DbzLeM

From reading that website, in this case I've had examples of:

- Malicious falsehood
- Online libel
- Mass defamation (two websites where this false information was spammed and most people believed it)
- Online fraud (someone else having pretended to have been me, very minor case of this though).
- And maybe even framed as being the guilty party who made the false accounts?

Also theres even a chance that the forum owner is lying about the IP addresses being the same, and there having been over 100 spam posts from my account, so if thats the case too then false claims to evidence.

Just gotta wait to hear back from that solicitor website and call the police again tomorrow to get referred to the high tech data thing. Like I say, if its possible, a full browsing history from my ISP to the website would clear me of all the accusations and easy win. I might even be able to get a no win no fee case with that evidence too, I just have to wait and see what the solicitors I contacted think.

 

[Kyriakos]

Is it really worth your trouble, though?

If you just use a pseudonym, you could just leave that site or use another username, etc. Why care more? (i mean we all know some people online are jerks and all)

 

[Flying Pig]

In this case its very obvious though. I found this solicitors website and sent them a free message with all the info:

http://www.carruthers-law.co.uk/wha...9dDLIRtxAZUc3QtzmwMPMhoC-tLw_wcB#.VY_05DbzLeM

From reading that website, in this case I've had examples of:

- Malicious falsehood
- Online libel
- Mass defamation (two websites where this false information was spammed and most people believed it)
- Online fraud (someone else having pretended to have been me, very minor case of this though).
- And maybe even framed as being the guilty party who made the false accounts?

Also theres even a chance that the forum owner is lying about the IP addresses being the same, and there having been over 100 spam posts from my account, so if thats the case too then false claims to evidence.

Just gotta wait to hear back from that solicitor website and call the police again tomorrow to get referred to the high tech data thing. Like I say, if its possible, a full browsing history from my ISP to the website would clear me of all the accusations and easy win. I might even be able to get a no win no fee case with that evidence too, I just have to wait and see what the solicitors I contacted think.

I'm assuming from their specific mention of forums that there is indeed some history of such cases, though I can't see anything in the many articles they list. I can see an obvious case if somebody wrote on a forum 'John Smith murdered Lord Lucan', but I'm less convinced that the same applies to 'Flying Pig murdered Lord Lucan', as long as nobody links 'Flying Pig' with the person behind the account.

EDIT: I put 'libel on forums' into Google and found the following:

You have no case unless it has caused damage ... [t]o chase it through the courts let's start with an upfront £40,000 for the lawyers, who will need more, much more.

Sounds like an awful lot of effort (and money) for quite an uncertain result. For sure, the essence of civil law is the restitution of losses, and I'm not sure how far you can, as a private citizen, claim that damage to the reputation of your pseudonym has a significant financial value.

Is it really worth your trouble, though?

If you just use a pseudonym, you could just leave that site or use another username, etc. Why care more? (i mean we all know some people online are jerks and all)

Quite.

 

[bhavv]

Is it really worth your trouble, though?

If you just use a pseudonym, you could just leave that site or use another username, etc. Why care more? (i mean we all know some people online are jerks and all)

Been using the site since whenever the game launched, and yes such a false accusation has annoyed me way too much.

Regarding the cost Im not interested unless I can get a no win no fee type thing anyway.

 

[Borachio]

It is baffling. I'll try summarising.

- New fansite for video game opens.
- Someone from the official forum starts making multiple false accounts.
- One such account has my name.
- All the above is done early June, long before I join the forum 2 days ago.

But how did they know to make an account in your name long before you join the forum?

 

[cardgame]

I'm pretty sure they can win anyway. Under the ToS of [anything] you are responsible for your username and password, bla bla bla, if you are hacked you are still responsible for what this other person does. If you pay a premium account fee for an MMORPG and your character is hacked, breaks a bunch of rules and gets banned, that is considered to be your responsibility and fault.

 

[bhavv]

But how did they know to make an account in your name long before you join the forum?

The new forum was created from users of the games official forum that has been around for years. Someone that frequents the main forum who knew all the people there made the false accounts and pretended to be them

 

[bhavv]

I'm pretty sure they can win anyway. Under the ToS of [anything] you are responsible for your username and password, bla bla bla, if you are hacked you are still responsible for what this other person does. If you pay a premium account fee for an MMORPG and your character is hacked, breaks a bunch of rules and gets banned, that is considered to be your responsibility and fault.

But it was not me making all the false accounts as I have proven, and your example is only if they are telling the truth as they posted no evidence of the 100+ posts claim.

And theres no such ToS on the website. Literally the only rules there were 'dont be a ****', and 'no hardcore porn'.