Appeasement in the front end of the cycle (of history repeating itself again)

[Lord of Elves]

But again, what great point do you feel I have not addressed?

You've yet to provide evidence the United States government is complicit in a global international banker conspiracy, as opposed to merely protecting its geopolitical interests, which is admittedly far more mundane. It's almost disappointingly unlike the plots of those television shows you seem to have so much distaste for.

 

[Neomega]

You've yet to provide evidence the United States government is complicit in a global international banker conspiracy, as opposed to merely protecting its geopolitical interests, which is admittedly far more mundane. It's almost disappointingly unlike the plots of those television shows you seem to have so much distaste for.

I already said it's not a conspiracy.
Anything else?

 

[Lord of Elves]

I already said it's not a conspiracy.
Anything else?

just because you insist it's glaringly obvious, that it's not a conspiracy and a clear fact, doesn't mean it is equally evident to the rest of us. And furthermore, just because you say it's not a conspiracy doesn't mean you don't have to justify your position, since the whole "global banker conspiracy" seems to be the entire predication of your seething hatred of America, Americans, and everything deep-fried and delicious.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Deep fried Iluminati.

That's change I can believe in

 

[Neomega]

just because you insist it's glaringly obvious, that it's not a conspiracy and a clear fact, doesn't mean it is equally evident to the rest of us. And furthermore, just because you say it's not a conspiracy doesn't mean you don't have to justify your position, since the whole "global banker conspiracy" seems to be the entire predication of your seething hatred of America, Americans, and everything deep-fried and delicious.

Posts 89 and 91 clarify why what I am talking about is not a conspiracy. In short, there is little to no collusion. It is simply people with power and wealth having, in general, the same types of goals and interests.

Just because you are a "brainwashed zombie", insisting I am talking about a "global banker conspiracy" Does not make it so. I twice addressed this point, yet you keep saying I think it is a conspiracy. How convenient for you.

I know you want me to be talking about a global banker conspiracy, because that makes it easier for you to discredit and dismiss.

But that is not what I am talking about, and I already expounded upon it a bit in posts 89 and 91 of this thread.

So I am sorry you want me to say it is a global conspiracy, I will do no such thing, since that is not what I believe.

But you can go ahead and pound me for the "global banker conspiracy" view I don't have, all you want. Like I said, I've been here a long time. I know why the straw man is such a popular logical fallacy.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

You're a truther conspiracy nut. That alone is worth ridicule

 

[Neomega]

You're a truther conspiracy nut. That alone is worth ridicule

Then ridicule away. I don't care.

Um, your mom's butt is big.

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[hobbsyoyo]

Your tears taste so good.

 

[Lord of Elves]

But you can go ahead and pound me for the global banker conspiracy view I don't have all I want. Like I said, I've been here a long time. I know why the straw man is such a popular logical fallacy.

Pulling rank/seniority on me doesn't do much either? I seem to recall that I asserted you believed the United States and NATO had organized an international anti-Muslim, pro-Europe/North America conspiracy, which you said was ridiculous because it was obvious it was not the nations of the world but the bankers of the world, using the nation-states of North America and Europe as a front for world plutocrat domination. Care to quote a relevant section of one of your posts that would disavow me of this notion? I'm loathe to go back, wading through all this vitriol, to find the relevant items. That you have provided post numbers for me does not change my insistence that you ought to quote your own source, especially when it's you.

It should go without saying I don't remotely share your views on geopolitics or how the world works, but I primarily find your viewpoint objectionable on the question of my morality of "accepting" the American neo-imperialist agenda (call it what you will).

Would you prefer Russia or China displayed the same dedication to human rights they display in Syria and Africa the world over?

 

[Dachs]

The Big Society is just a front for Tory public sector cuts as they dont give a fig about normal people.

On one level, I agree. It was mostly a joke. The Tories are jackasses, but they're not Fascists.

On another level, though, did you check out the AHRC's requirements for disbursing funds to universities over the last two years? In some cases, they made money contingent on the existence of courses and programs based on the Big Society. Basically, "indoctrinate your students with our ideology and do 'research' to provide academic plausibility for it, or else we'll slash your budget".

And the very vagueness of the whole "Big Society" shtick lends itself very well to accusations of anti-individualism.

 

[holy king]

we are concerned about other countries [...] using even the possibility of nuclear warfare as geopolitical blackmail.

ehem...

 

[Core Imposter]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/24/us-un-assembly-ahmadinejad-idUSBRE88N0HF20120924

On Sunday, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon met with Ahmadinejad and warned him of the dangers of incendiary rhetoric in the Middle East.

Ahmadinejad, who has used previous U.N. sessions to question the Holocaust and the U.S. account of the 9/11 attacks, did not heed the warning and instead alluded to his previous rejection of Israel's right to exist.

"Iran has been around for the last seven, 10 thousand years. They (the Israelis) have been occupying those territories for the last 60 to 70 years, with the support and force of the Westerners. They have no roots there in history," he said, referring to the founding of the modern state of Israel in 1948.

"We do believe that they have found themselves at a dead end and they are seeking new adventures in order to escape this dead end. Iran will not be damaged with foreign bombs," Ahmadinejad said, speaking through an interpreter at his Manhattan hotel.

"We don't even count them as any part of any equation for Iran. During a historical phase, they (the Israelis) represent minimal disturbances that come into the picture and are then eliminated," he added.

And,

In Washington, White House spokesman Tommy Vietor reaffirmed the U.S. commitment to Israel's security.

"President Ahmadinejad's comments are characteristically disgusting, offensive and outrageous. They underscore again why America's commitment to the security of Israel must be unshakeable, and why the world must hold Iran accountable for its utter failure to meet its obligations," Vietor said.


I wonder when? When the world will hold them accountable. Recently a spy rock, placed to monitor Iran exploded. Now I suppose we will have to count on the trees to hold them accountable. The centrifuges spin on.

 

[JollyRoger]

Accountable for what?

 

[Core Imposter]

Accountable for what?

There is really no excuse for ignorance with the internet at your fingertips.

Start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state_terrorism

 

[JollyRoger]

There is really no excuse for ignorance with the internet at your fingertips.

Start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state_terrorism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state_terrorism

 

[Core Imposter]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state_terrorism

You can't belive everything you read on the internet.

 

[peter grimes]

That was sweet. Thanks, guys!

 

[kramerfan86]

What real evidence is there that Iran will use a nuclear weapon against Israel? Their loudmouth president who doesnt actually have true authority over the situation? To me the risk Obama warned Israel about, total arab world backlash, is a much bigger threat than a big mouthed president who doesnt actually have authority.

 

[bugwar]

What real evidence is there that Iran will use a nuclear weapon against Israel? Their loudmouth president who doesnt actually have true authority over the situation? To me the risk Obama warned Israel about, total arab world backlash, is a much bigger threat than a big mouthed president who doesnt actually have authority.

What real evidence is there?

Ya know, that is an interesting question.
The answer is that it is up to the U.S. to decide.
It doesn't matter what the Iranians proclaim, or the U.N., or even the Israelis.

There doesn't even need to be any evidence, just a belief by the American government that it better serves the United States to take direct action than continue less vigorous means of achieving their goals.

So I guess the point is, don't upset the man with the big gun aimed at you.
While he might later come to regret his actions, you won't be around to find out.


Link to video.

Oh, and as an idea of just how BIG a gun:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_industry#World.27s_largest_defense_budgets


There are certain benefits to having the worlds largest economy AND military

 

[King Kalmah]

Your tears taste so good.

I bet your 99cent TV dinner tastes great right now...oh wait a minute you are probably one of those children of liberal media who literally swallow every bit of info about Lindsy Lohan and her "lil sister" Miley Cyrus...

Serious things are going on in the world and the best thing they can find is Lindsy and Miley...give me a break...

I'd rather be a nut job then a sheep....

What real evidence is there that Iran will use a nuclear weapon against Israel? Their loudmouth president who doesnt actually have true authority over the situation? To me the risk Obama warned Israel about, total arab world backlash, is a much bigger threat than a big mouthed president who doesnt actually have authority.

Correct 100% correct......Ayotollah needs to declare war...saying Ahmadinejad will declare war is like saying Speaker of the House will declare war instead of Oboma...

There doesn't even need to be any evidence, just a belief by the American government that it better serves the United States to take direct action than continue less vigorous means of achieving their goals.

Dude I should have known you supported war no matter what....