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[NFP] April Update Video

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Duke William of Normandy, Apr 12, 2021.

  1. Alexander's Hetaroi

    Alexander's Hetaroi Deity

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    Why not that for Gorgo? Sounds like a lot like Thermopylae. :mischief:
    I think of Pericles as the city-state leader, so I don't necessarily see the need for Gorgo to get those bonuses.
     
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  2. Lord Lakely

    Lord Lakely Idea Fountain

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    Become the Suze of five City States, gain +15 Combat Strength... ON ALL UNITS?

    Finally those Warrior Monks get to shine.
     
  3. Pietato

    Pietato Platonic Perfection

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    They put Atlantis on the map!
     
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  4. tedhebert

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    Wow 18 pages heh ? Had a full busied day, log on to see this, but 18 pages already ? way to go civ fans !

    Don't have much to add; I think it looks like a great update, can't wait to read the patch notes. Love that Canada gets a much needed buff, but man Lautaro looks like a real dom civ now.
     
  5. iammaxhailme

    iammaxhailme Emperor

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    Oh man, 18 pages of comments. I can't read all that. But here's my thoughts, as I go through the video:

    - More TSL maps are always welcome, especially a better full-sized earth

    - AI using boats better, I hope it's true! I'd love to actually have trouble from Norway or (Elizabethan) England, etc. But a lot of the "we've made AI better at X" have not really turned out to be all that... true... in the last few years

    - Trebuchet, nice. Captapult to Bombard was way too long of a gap. I assume line infantry is like this game's version of 5's rifleman... between musket and infantry, I guess?

    - Spain buff is welcome, they really needed one. I'm glad both portugal and spain have a decent push towards science; their colonial expansion led to a wealth of new things coming back to Eurasia, which is often not properly represented in civ games (like how England's brand of colonialism is pure warmongering). A straight up "extra 3 gold/2 faith/1 production too trade routes, maybe even more, without even having to try!" is really good, too! I'm excited to do a spanish science victory when the patch comes out, I love going for civs "second best victory" type.

    - Khmer, another one that really needed a buff. And goddamn did they get one. Is it just me, or did their missionaries lose martyr, though? But I'm glad to see one of the few tall civs get even better at tall; tall really needs buffs.

    - China buff fairly minor, which is fine becuase they werne't as desperate as some other civs.

    - Mapuche... a civ I think I've only played once. Honestly, they still don't really match my style, but they'll be even more fearsome than they were before, but as usual, only in very niche situations, so it seems fair. A general production boost makes them more versatile, so maybe I'll go for an unusual victory type with them for fun... they love to be near mountains, so maybe a science game?

    - I'm really glad they boosted Canada's tundra farms, which were kind of a waste before. And wow, mounties are now basically double as useful.... two parks. Better expand to those mountains quick and early! I have still yet to win canada's seemingly preferred diplomatic victory, because every time I try, I acidentally win culture first, though. Hope they make culture a bit slower to win.

    - Georgia getting straight up faith on kills, but losing the protection war thing? Uhh... not really sure that helps...
     
  6. Duke William of Normandy

    Duke William of Normandy King of England & Unofficial Welcoming Committee

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    Seems like they got rid of the Bonus for Pillaging and decided to move the Combat Strength Ability to Lautaro so that they could make room for the Governor Bonuses. Wise choice on their part.
     
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  7. DefiantMars

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    I'm in agreement with Duke William of Normandy. It's probably just to avoid feature bloat on Toqui now that it provides the Mapuche with an improved economic base. Basically, it's just spreading the bonuses more evenly throughout the civ. Tying the combat bonus to the leader is also more on flavor, based on what little information I've read about Lautaro.
     
  8. Duke William of Normandy

    Duke William of Normandy King of England & Unofficial Welcoming Committee

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    He was the one who started the rebellion against the Spanish and could have succeeded had he not been betrayed.
     
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  9. AriaLyric

    AriaLyric Nonbinary | Peaceful Builder Vietnam & Māori Main

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    Probably just for flavor, since it was Lef-traru (Lautaro) who led the Mapuche so successfully against the Spanish, which is where that ability comes from. Though I did like it better as a civ ability, since the Mapuche were also good at repelling invasions from the Inca.
     
  10. PhoenicianGold

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    I feel like Georgia should have both abilities, i.e. kept the protectorate war on top of the combat bonus. The protectorate war is a fun gimmick; I can understand why the devs might have gotten rid of it because it is too situational, but it still is something that affords Georgia a very unique niche when the situation arises. The combat victory change by contrast just makes Georgia more generic.

    Hmmmm tall faith civ...okay I guess. Kind of reduces hope for a Burma civ in some respects but that was true even before Khmer changes.

    (maybe Burma will have an ability that preys on high population cities?)

    Oh interesting, these are almost all pure additions. We lose the pillaging bonus but gain governor loyalty (while the combat strength is broadened and moved from Toqui to Swift Hawk). I like it. Never quite agreed with the Mapuche having governor bonuses, but now at least we have some defensive loyalty buffs.

    The mission bonus I believe was moved to the mission itself in R&F, so again we aren't really losing much here. Just lost the gold from trade routes in exchange for some help with early infrastructure on foreign continents. Kind of breaks the literal understanding of "treasure fleet," but it does refine Spain away from Portugal and Byzantium design into more of a production-based colonizer. It's a subtle shift with big implications and I'm okay with it.
     
  11. AriaLyric

    AriaLyric Nonbinary | Peaceful Builder Vietnam & Māori Main

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    Now that you mention it, I am praying (badum tsss) that this major rebalance somehow touches on the fact that Warrior Monks are nigh-useless as is. Hoping that they get balanced to be more in line with the power level of Nihangs, insofar as scaling in later eras.
    They did, and the Prasat also lost its additional relic slot, making Poland, Kongo, and kinda Sweden the only remaining civs with any sort of relic bias.
     
  12. KingPiggyXXI

    KingPiggyXXI Chieftain

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    They keep that gold bonus. All Trade Routes give +3 Gold, which is increased to +9 if it's intercontinental.
     
  13. Leucarum

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    They were a gimmick, completely irrelavent in a multiplayer game but able to get some fast culture wins when it played out right. The only thing I dislike more than their playstyle is their music, but they did have a narrow window of utility and I gather some people enjoyed them.
     
  14. Alexander's Hetaroi

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    Don't worry, I'm still sure that Phillip II will be as zealous as ever. Once they reach exploration/cartography expect mission spam on other continents. :mischief:
     
  15. MrRadar

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    Ok, finally got the time to read the changes more closely. Wow :)

    Looks like Phillip Ii stops being a junior partner to João Iii in the Treaty of Tordesillas, also no more questions about where this respectable girth of Jayavarman comes from.

    And Mapuche are being renamed into the Borg Collective.
     
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  16. DefiantMars

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    Speaking of which, I'm still holding out for a rebalance on Religion mechanics in general. If they're removing the Relic bonuses from Khmer, I would hope that the remaining ones get some improvements and the system itself is tweaked to be less cheesy.
     
  17. AriaLyric

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    Another thing I'm hoping this rebalance accomplishes: adding back the ability to link religious units with military units. Since Spain's getting rebalanced, I want their Conquistadores' combat strength to actually be able to be used without too much tedious clicking. Besides, it'd make me actually consider using the Chaplain promotion for Apostles.
     
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  18. Pietato

    Pietato Platonic Perfection

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    Why did you cut off his post when quoting it, and not respond to basically anything he said?

    Mapuche is now clearly designed to pillage and use nearby governors to put cities into negative loyalty, then kill units to flip them. Very finicky but might wok.
     
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  19. Phoenix1595

    Phoenix1595 Lord of the Two Lands

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    I was thinking this too. While I think the line infantry graphic in the video would be fine for most Euro civs, they came across as a bit “tin soldier”-y and culturally off when they were showcasing them with the Mapuche. Maybe it was a placeholder graphic?
     
  20. Duke William of Normandy

    Duke William of Normandy King of England & Unofficial Welcoming Committee

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    They don't actually get the Pillage Bonus anymore, so that's just a cherry on top of the flipping strategy.
     

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