Are we still getting this new era?

[fuzzatron717]

I believe the new era should take the last half of the renassiance and the first half of the industrial and be called the enlightenment. That is a historical era about 1700's-until about 1850-ish thats when science was getting into a lot of progress and religion went down the drain alot of people were becoming alot more sciencey and less religious as time passed. and here comes industrial era.

 

[thadian]

The art aspect of architecture came about a bit later. I'd put it at Classical Era rather than Renassiance (for Europe at any rate). The Ren was more of a revival of older styles.

Really? So ancient wonders weren't artistic? hmm. Lets find out, bro.


http://www.anciv.info/img/zigguratofur.jpg

Wow, i see "art" in the very design of this giant building.

Gobleki Tepe has art all over it.

I wont bother with Nazca, Quecha and Quito culture nor will i delve into Ancient china or japan, who pre-rennisiance had a lot of artistic architecture.

cool, eh?

 

[Txurce]

Really? So ancient wonders weren't artistic? hmm. Lets find out, bro.

I wont bother with Nazca, Quecha and Quito culture nor will i delve into Ancient china or japan, who pre-rennisiance had a lot of artistic architecture.

Where do you get that he said "ancient wonders weren't artistic"? Or that there weren't any pre-Renaissance? He correctly pegged it at the Classical era for Europe, and didn't address other locales - although everything he did write wouldn't contradict anything you added.

 

[elniallo]

The renaissance was a period of rebirth, after the dark ages classical architecture was rediscovered and integrated into the buildings of the day

 

[nokmirt]

No, it will be a whole new era.

I see it like this in military unit viewpoint:

Medieval era - pikemen, trebuchet, galleass and so on

Renaissance - musketman, cannon, lancer, frigates, privateer

NEW ERA - riflemen, gatling, ironclad etc.
Maybe its called imperial or something

Industrial - WW I units

As long as there is a gap between WWI and 2 I will be fine. The Imperial era sounds great though. As far as Post Modern Smoky Skies is science fiction enough for me. That along with a post modern era, just is not interesting to me. At least in CiV.

 

[thadian]

Originally Posted by Eagle Pursuit View Post
The art aspect of architecture came about a bit later

it came earlier, every ancient wonder was artistic. it has been there this whole time that people have been building things of a small or big scale, the idea of building things to be artistic and pleasing. the feats of architecture and engineering actually came pretty early on... and did not wait for the renaissance.

 

[Calouste]

it came earlier, every ancient wonder was artistic. it has been there this whole time that people have been building things of a small or big scale, the idea of building things to be artistic and pleasing. the feats of architecture and engineering actually came pretty early on... and did not wait for the renaissance.

It would make sense to have Architecture in the Renaissance if it follows in from Physics and it symbolizes the more scientific approach that was made possible by Newton defining Classical Mechanics. Before that time Architecture was a very empirical field, with little understanding of the how's and why's. (Which for example resulted in some medieval Cathedrals collapsing three times before they were completed).

 

[elprofesor]

Architecture comes in the renaissance because we couldn't have built cathedrals and the like before (in Europe) with state of the art technique.

Ninja'd!

 

[fuzzatron717]

What about the notre dame and west minister abbey?

 

[thadian]

what about the art of Gobekli Tepe? The original parthenon? the colossus of sardia? the hanging gardens, the sphinx, the pyramids? Nazca Lines, or the Sun Temple of Cuzco? What about the coliseum or the statue of zeus or the cahokia mound? what about the sun and moon temples of the aztec? or the architecture of cities like persepolis?

I fear all of these things FAR predate cultures of the renaissance.

many non-cathedrals and the like predate the renaissance.

so do many ancient holy places of great magnitude.

 

[SalmonSoil]

But really doesn't any building technically fall under the handle of architecture? Clearly the ingame tech isn't trying to say "This is where all architecture began!"

In the Rennaisance (or the time period the ingame era represents), architecture was seperated from the engineering aspects of building construction, becoming focused on aesthetics. This is also the time period where a larger focus was placed on individual architects. My guess is that the architecture tech in G&K is meant to represent this shift. Of course, we won't really know exactly what it is supposed to be until we see what things it unlocks.

Are you also irritated that those impressive classical wonders can be built without the engineering tech?

 

[seasnake]

what about the art of Gobekli Tepe? The original parthenon? the colossus of sardia? the hanging gardens, the sphinx, the pyramids? Nazca Lines, or the Sun Temple of Cuzco? What about the coliseum or the statue of zeus or the cahokia mound? what about the sun and moon temples of the aztec? or the architecture of cities like persepolis?

I fear all of these things FAR predate cultures of the renaissance.

many non-cathedrals and the like predate the renaissance.

so do many ancient holy places of great magnitude.

I hear you, but I think as a "technology" it still works because it's referring to the period of time when Architecture, in the Western world at least, became a studied discipline more resembling how it's taught and explored in the 21st century. Technically all buildings are "architecture" but the discipline really got codified, if you will, in that time period. Prior it was more apprentice/master etc.

 

[Civciv5]

The (not a)Renaissance was a period of revival after the Dark Ages for EUROPE!
Asia,Africa and America didn't know "The Renaissance",because there was no dark age at that moment. Again a sign of Eurocentrism...

 

[Brimstone]

Didn't I hear or read that they were going to draw out classical a bit? I can't remember where or when I saw it, and it might have been related to increasing the hit points of units.

 

[AriochIV]

Didn't I hear or read that they were going to draw out classical a bit? I can't remember where or when I saw it, and it might have been related to increasing the hit points of units.

Yes, the Classical era has been expanded to 2 tiers. There is one new tech, Drama & Poetry, and Currency and Engineering have been pulled in from the Medieval era.

 

[Txurce]

Arioch, are you going to be "live-blogging" your Analyst thread on Tuesday? I intend to take as much advantage of it as possible while playing my first game or two.

 

[Brimstone]

Yes, the Classical era has been expanded to 2 tiers. There is one new tech, Drama & Poetry, and Currency and Engineering have been pulled in from the Medieval era.

Awesome! I have the most fun with classical/medieval. Later eras mostly feel like consolidation, infrastructure, and mop up actions.

 

[Cicero63]

The (not a)Renaissance was a period of revival after the Dark Ages for EUROPE!
Asia,Africa and America didn't know "The Renaissance",because there was no dark age at that moment. Again a sign of Eurocentrism...

By technicality every civilization has had Renaissance. Although the term Renaissance means rebirth, it is now used as term for a cultural golden age. For the time period of 1350-1650 there is really no better title to call the era. Yes Asia did and the other regions didn't have the previous Dark Ages before the European Renaissance, but the name is used only to serve the time period. It's either Renaissance or "Age of Machiavelli", your choice.

 

[AriochIV]

Arioch, are you going to be "live-blogging" your Analyst thread on Tuesday? I intend to take as much advantage of it as possible while playing my first game or two.

I'm not sure what my schedule is going to be like on Tuesday; it's probably going to be a busy day.