Arioch's Analyst Thread

[The_J]

I guess they are still tweaking all the things...could be, that the guide is right...or that half of the infos we know is wrong .

 

[Diplomat32]

I noticed in the strategy guide that the Chinese Great General provides a +45% combat bonus to units up to 2 hexes away. The Chinese GG's look pretty powerful. This definitely makes China a very interesting civ to play, especially considering their UB gives them extra gold in addition to science. I can see China being a pretty decent science civ that can hold its own in warfare.

 

[Mustakrakish]

Something has been bothering me for a while... From the time when Civ5 was just announced for a couple of months I can scarcely remember something about tile trading with AI... Is it just me or was there indeed something like that mentioned?

 

[Schuesseled]

WHY you can't shoot over rough terrain? It's because the unit doing the shooting cannot see it; i.e. said unit is NOT in its vision range.

Correct, but you also can't see units 3 tiles away, and you can shoot at them, hence thats not what indirect fire does. Indirect fire allows you to shoot over rough terrain, you already have the ability to shoot at things that the individual unit can't see, but other units can.

It was an attempt at simplification for those who seemed confused. 3 range units would be an exception.

Well in the process you not only confused others but yourself.

And seeing as how any ranged unit can take the range promotion, 3 range units aren't an exception there the norm.

It's quite possible that Longbowmen start with indirect fire or that they aren't more powerful until they get it.

Certainly possible if we are talking about a different game or a mod. But that is not the case.

Confusing....

Precisely

No, even without indirect fire, you can shoot at a unit which you cannot see. Otherwise the longbowman would never be able to use its 3 hex range unless it was on a hill, even with no forest inbetween.

Basically it goes like this:
No indirect fire - can shoot at any unit within your range providing that one of your cities/units can see the target and that there is no rough terrain between the attacker and the target (the latter does not apply if the attacker is on a hill).

indirect fire - can shoot at anything within your range providing that one of your cities/units can see the target.

Absolutley 100% correct. Edit - Actually not entirely correct, hills don't give you a +1 visibilty bonus like in civ4, they remove the visibilty limitations of rough terrain, and maybe make it easier to see higher objects from further away.

Which actually is a really cool concept, that you can see hills and mountains and stuff from further away in the game. In taht way you can have terrain that blocks visibilty, terrain that improves it, and terrain that increase how visible they and any units upon them are to others.

I noticed in the strategy guide that the Chinese Great General provides a +45% combat bonus to units up to 2 hexes away. The Chinese GG's look pretty powerful. This definitely makes China a very interesting civ to play, especially considering their UB gives them extra gold in addition to science. I can see China being a pretty decent science civ that can hold its own in warfare.

If i recall correctly, regular generals give a 25% boost to units in a 2 tile radius, so an additional 20% me likey.

 

[AriochIV]

Something has been bothering me for a while... From the time when Civ5 was just announced for a couple of months I can scarcely remember something about tile trading with AI... Is it just me or was there indeed something like that mentioned?

You can't trade tiles with other civilizations, only cities. What you may be thinking of is that it was said that purchasing unclaimed tiles near another civ's borders may make them complain.

I guess they are still tweaking all the things...could be, that the guide is right...or that half of the infos we know is wrong

I'm sure there's a lot on my site that is now incorrect due to recent tweaks in the game. This is probably true of the strategy guide as well, but what I meant about inaccuracies in the strategy guide are the instances where it contradicts itself (such as on the issue of resource use for Catapults, or regarding what building the Paper Maker replaces).

 

[The_J]

I'm sure there's a lot on my site that is now incorrect due to recent tweaks in the game. This is probably true of the strategy guide as well, but what I meant about inaccuracies in the strategy guide are the instances where it contradicts itself (such as on the issue of resource use for Catapults, or regarding what building the Paper Maker replaces).

I think that has been corrected already in the posts (catapults need iron, paper maker = library).

 

[AriochIV]

Carrier image from the Escapist video review.

Looks like a WWII-era carrier, which is nice.

 

[Auncien]

Okay so the site is amazing, informative and very much appreciated, but I must take issue with this statement:

Global Warming is also gone. Take that, Al Gore!

May I kindly direct your attention to: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/?report=global

Stating that the removal of global warming from the game is a positive thing for gameplay is fine. Implying that global warming is an emperical falsehood is not.

 

[Mustakrakish]

You can't trade tiles with other civilizations, only cities. What you may be thinking of is that it was said that purchasing unclaimed tiles near another civ's borders may make them complain.

Yeah probably... But wouldn't it be great if that was possible?

Damn there goes another civ without that feature I wished for since civ4 vanilla...

 

[12agnar0k]

You know that global warming shouldn't exist in the game because its fictional in life too?

Not the world can heat up bit, but the thoery that doing so would result in a loss of land, it wouldnt, if all the ice of the planet melted, the resulting ocean rise would take away some land from some continents, but the continent of alaska would now be habitable. So overall globally, a total melting of the worlds ice, will actually lead to a gain in land. Therefore Global warming which exists as a derogative term, oh know we are killing the planet, one day the ocean will rise and drown us all, is a complete myth .

Anyway, nice to see a carrier picture finally, I saw it on the video review too.

 

[Ramesses]

You know that random desertification shouldn't exist in the game because its fictional in life too?

Fixed.

 

[Hamil]

You know that global warming shouldn't exist in the game because its fictional in life too?

Not the world can heat up bit, but the thoery that doing so would result in a loss of land, it wouldnt, if all the ice of the planet melted, the resulting ocean rise would take away some land from some continents, but the continent of alaska would now be habitable. So overall globally, a total melting of the worlds ice, will actually lead to a gain in land. Therefore Global warming which exists as a derogative term, oh know we are killing the planet, one day the ocean will rise and drown us all, is a complete myth .

Anyway, nice to see a carrier picture finally, I saw it on the video review too.

I think you should go to Bangladesh or to the habitants of some nice pacific islands like 'Takuu' and explain them, they wont have to worry to drown or to starve cause there will be nice new land in alaska...

BTT: Have we ever had a affirmation for cities beeing able to expand their cultureradius over the 3 hexes range? Cause in one the review videos i found this:

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[Avatar_Ko]

I think you should go to Bangladesh or to the habitants of some nice pacific islands like 'Takuu' and explain them, they wont have to worry to drown or to starve cause there will be nice new land in alaska...

BTT: Have we ever had a affirmation for cities beeing able to expand their cultureradius over the 3 hexes range? Cause in one the review videos i found this:

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Perhaps the rules are different over sea?

 

[Auncien]

Perhaps the rules are different over sea?

I know that in IV they would expand beyond their usable size (to four out I think?) Perhaps this is similar.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

It was confirmed somewhere, cities would continue gathering tiles beyond their radius

 

[ainwood]

Moderator Action: Global warming off-topic discussion deleted.

Stick to Civ5 in this forum, guys

 

[Silverdawn]

Arioch - While there are likely still a few mistakes in the PDF manual, you should be able to plug any holes you have this weekend so you can dedicate next week to some pretty pics.

 

[Caeserportugal]

Congrutulations on moving to the civ 5 strategy and tips forum.

 

[WillowBrook]

Many thanks, Arioch, for your insanity putting your site together. It's been great to have a well-organized, detailed summary of what we learned as information and pictures trickled out.

 

[AriochIV]

Thanks to everyone for their help and enthusiasm.