Arioch's Analyst Thread
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danshep8
Chieftain
It would seem that the Trireme does not require any iron
Azazell
Prince
danshep8
Chieftain
Clever.
Boggles the mind though that Cannon doesn't require any resource.
I suspect that it may have something to do with the fact that the cannon is the only
land based ranged unit in the renaissance era?
Thyrwyn
Guardian at the Gate
Not having cannon (or enough cannon) would make any civ extremely vulnerable.
I seem to recall hearing that Frigates may require Iron. Not that this makes any sense...
stealth_nsk
Deity
You need horses for lancers, I assume.
And I agree about large army. However you need resources for mobile units - after cavalry you move to tanks. Plus naval units require resources - after frigates I'm not sure if there are resourceless ships.
danshep8
Chieftain
Exactly. It's a good example of the gameplay>realism maxim.
If you don't have any Iron by the Renaissance, you're probably already dead. And nothing else requires Iron (except maybe ships).
In the industrial era, nearly everything requires Oil, and in the modern era, nearly everything requires Aluminum.
So it's extra weird if nothing in the Renaissance requires resources except Lancers and Cavalry.
In the industrial era, nearly everything requires Oil, and in the modern era, nearly everything requires Aluminum.
So it's extra weird if nothing in the Renaissance requires resources except Lancers and Cavalry.
danshep8
Chieftain
^ That is a good point, you'd probably find yourself with a great deal of surplus iron
upon having upgraded your obsolete longswordsmen. *edit and all of the trebuchets.
stealth_nsk
Deity
We don't know if any of the buildings require iron (Armory?, Workshop?), this way you'll not have a surplus - the same way as factories make coal always demanded.
I wonder if that applies to horses as well. The circus requirement of "Horses or Ivory" probably suggests it doesn't consume resources, but that could be very different.
stealth_nsk
Deity
For me, it looks the following way. You always have a basic set of weak resourceless units, containing melee, ranged and counter units. All strong fast and special units require resources.
Looks like developers consider naval units as special. I see some logic here - even without appropriate resources you could try unprotected naval invasion if you have a lot of units. Or you could just protect yourself from ships with your artillery.
Looks like developers consider naval units as special. I see some logic here - even without appropriate resources you could try unprotected naval invasion if you have a lot of units. Or you could just protect yourself from ships with your artillery.
danshep8
Chieftain
If that turns out to be correct it would be another good strategy choice -
1./ Don't build an Armory, say, and be able to put more swordsmen in the field
2./ Go for a smaller but more powerful army with augmented abilities
stealth_nsk
Deity
It was said about choice between factories and ironclads, so I assume that to be true for some other buildings.
Frigates do require Iron -- it was mentioned in Greg's Strategic Resources article.
That's super weird.
That's super weird.
GeoModder
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It is. The frigate has 3 times the strength of the caravel.
Btw, the ranged strength of the submarine (on the Analyst page) seems ridicilously overpowered compared to ships in the same era and to its own strength. Ranged strength 60?
Not to mention that the nuclear submarine's stats seem big compared to contemporary ships too (I'm looking at the Missile Cruiser here).
Ahriman
Tyrant
I hope this is the case.
I take this to be factoring in its surprise factor.
The submarine can deal a lot of offense, but its defense (normal strength) is low. So it gets blown out of the water when a normal ship fires on it.
It has a good attack, but ships also have good strength, so it doesn't do as much damage.
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