The Almighty dF
Pharaoh
...Way beyond the scope of this mod, IMO.
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...Way beyond the scope of this mod, IMO.
Vortilex
Imperator Mundi
Damn. Actually, I kind of expected that. Who or what mod would be the place for such a thing? It's outside of my modding skills (I do leaderheads and basic XML) so it's not going to be me to make a change like that 
The Almighty dF
Pharaoh
Damn. Actually, I kind of expected that. Who or what mod would be the place for such a thing? It's outside of my modding skills (I do leaderheads and basic XML) so it's not going to be me to make a change like that
You'd need a full team of leaderhead artists for it, and it'd be a lot of work.
Vortilex
Imperator Mundi
Well, yeah! Plus it'd involve a lot of Python editing, which I don't appear to be very good at...I guess that's really a Civ 4.5 thing or a Civ 4.9 thing You know, it's something that would be not just a UXP, but a Super-UXP!
You know, it's something that would be not just a UXP, but a Super-UXP!
The Capo
godless Heathen
Well, I am working on a proposal for the type of flags I was thinking of using for the base civs and we can move on from there. It may take me a day or so to put this together...
The Capo
godless Heathen
Okay, so for the flag update thing. Basically here are the two ways this can be accomplished.
In the first method, the flags would simply change by era. So simple enough there.
In the second method, the flags would simply be based on the leader. So if you selected Stalin you get a Hammer and Sickle, if you select Mao you get the PRC flag, if you select Cleomenes you get the Spartan Delta. etc.
In the third method, the flags could change by era AND by leader. So if I played as Germany, I'd have the default German flags for the Ancient, Classical, Medieval, and Renaissance eras, if I was a leader that didn't have a default flag. So maybe Bismark get's that Maltese Cross (which he would have the whole time) or Hitler gets the Swastika (which he would have the whole time). And since Adenauer and Frederick wouldn't have leader-specific flags (for this hypothetical purpose that is) they would use Germany's default era flags.
The way I'd like it to be, ultimately is a fourth way, where the flags are dependent on leader and era. So in the last example Hitler would have the Swastika the whole time, in this version he'd get it only in the Industrial and Modern eras, in other eras he'd get the default German flag by era. Of course other Germany leaders would not use the Swastika.
I kind of have to decide this quickly because the guy who is helping me doesn't have a lot of time. If it HELPS I guess I could post up an example of what I am talking about once I get all of the flags together.
In the first method, the flags would simply change by era. So simple enough there.
In the second method, the flags would simply be based on the leader. So if you selected Stalin you get a Hammer and Sickle, if you select Mao you get the PRC flag, if you select Cleomenes you get the Spartan Delta. etc.
In the third method, the flags could change by era AND by leader. So if I played as Germany, I'd have the default German flags for the Ancient, Classical, Medieval, and Renaissance eras, if I was a leader that didn't have a default flag. So maybe Bismark get's that Maltese Cross (which he would have the whole time) or Hitler gets the Swastika (which he would have the whole time). And since Adenauer and Frederick wouldn't have leader-specific flags (for this hypothetical purpose that is) they would use Germany's default era flags.
The way I'd like it to be, ultimately is a fourth way, where the flags are dependent on leader and era. So in the last example Hitler would have the Swastika the whole time, in this version he'd get it only in the Industrial and Modern eras, in other eras he'd get the default German flag by era. Of course other Germany leaders would not use the Swastika.
I kind of have to decide this quickly because the guy who is helping me doesn't have a lot of time. If it HELPS I guess I could post up an example of what I am talking about once I get all of the flags together.
AbsintheRed
Deity
The 4th would be the best
I guess actually it means the flag/era method for most of the civs and leaders, with having "special" flags for a few leaders (but just for the eras where it is appropriate to them)
The whole thing would look awesome if we can solve this for all of the civs
I guess actually it means the flag/era method for most of the civs and leaders, with having "special" flags for a few leaders (but just for the eras where it is appropriate to them)
The whole thing would look awesome if we can solve this for all of the civs
cybrxkhan
Asian Xwedodah
Personally I prefer simplicity, so I would prefer option 1 or 2.
AbsintheRed
Deity
It's not that different than the first IMO
Just a few leaders have a that unique flag as Hitler (where unique means: totally inappropriate for the other leaders)
For most civs we have max one leader per era, so it would be the same flag for all of the leaders
And of course most civs won't have different flag for all eras, so I think we can easily go with this solution
Just a few leaders have a that unique flag as Hitler (where unique means: totally inappropriate for the other leaders)
For most civs we have max one leader per era, so it would be the same flag for all of the leaders
And of course most civs won't have different flag for all eras, so I think we can easily go with this solution
The Almighty dF
Pharaoh
I like #4. It's still the same flag-by-era thing, but certain leaders (mainly Hitler) can get better fitting flags.
AbsintheRed
Deity
Umm, yeah. I think I wrote exactly the same thing in my previous posts...
(EDIT: at least I wanted to)
(EDIT: at least I wanted to)
I agree keeping it simple. I think option #2 is better than #1 because, for example, attaching the Swastika to Hitler makes sense but attaching it to all Germans in the modern era would most definitely not be appropriate.
The Capo
godless Heathen
Ultimately it matters how feesable option 4 is. If 4 can't happen I'll probably go with flags by era (meaning there will be no Swastika) rather than leader-based flags. I think that, in the end, the flag by era thing is better.
The Almighty dF
Pharaoh
That and, if we had to go with option 1, we could still use Hammer & Sickle as an Industrial era flag, Imperial Japanese flag as an Industrial era flag, etc. Then switch over to modern Russian flag and modern Japanese flag for the Modern Era.
The Capo
godless Heathen
Well, here is a quick preview showing what I was thinking (I might do one or two more for some of the more interesting civs) of doing about this. I am starting to think that doing it simply by era might be the easiest and most efficient way of handling this. This way we have the benefits of getting different flags, and adding to flavor, but we also cut down on the frivilous flags by doing it based on leader and era. Of course this can be debated further, but I think doing the flags by era would be the best because the code already exists, and it would require little to no extra work.
So here is the preview, obviously the eras and civs are lineated.
EDIT: Obviously this is by no means a final version or anything. As you can see in some cases there are generally one flag per era (for Spain) and in others they are more grouped together, and in others quite mixed. Rome's "Future" flag is what-if obviously, but I think this is a pretty good idea of how this would go. Of course the next question is; do we want this?
So here is the preview, obviously the eras and civs are lineated.
EDIT: Obviously this is by no means a final version or anything. As you can see in some cases there are generally one flag per era (for Spain) and in others they are more grouped together, and in others quite mixed. Rome's "Future" flag is what-if obviously, but I think this is a pretty good idea of how this would go. Of course the next question is; do we want this?
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The Almighty dF
Pharaoh
I like the flags, although I'd maybe set Rome's modern flag to Rome's future flag, because that looks -awesome.-
Also, will modular civs be able to get the per-era flags too? Because I could see this becoming really fun for the Just-For-Fun Nazi civ.
Also, will modular civs be able to get the per-era flags too? Because I could see this becoming really fun for the Just-For-Fun Nazi civ.
The Capo
godless Heathen
I don't see why they wouldn't.
Vortilex
Imperator Mundi
I like these, but I think the Modern and Future Spanish flags are too similar to the Renaissance flag
The Capo
godless Heathen
Well yeah, they are similar. It's the same country.
The Capo
godless Heathen
Hey Madman, I see you're lurking around.
I was wondering if you could help me out with some flags (only flags this time, no buttons) for some of the era flags?
I need any good ideas you can come up with, and you know all of the civs in the game and which flags you have already made for me, so if you could help out with some that'd be awesome.
Civs that really need era-flags are Byzantium, Khmer, Babylon, Israel, Carthage, Portugal, Zulu, Iroquois, Maya, Aztecs, China (I need a Qin character), Korea (I would like a Goguryeo symbol), Mongolia (I have no idea), Vikings, Sumeria, and the Franks.
A few I'd definitely like, is a bi-color Union Jack flag, the bird and star symbol from Zimbabwe's flag (I was going to use that as the Zulu modern flag), some Sumerian and Babylonian stuff, and whatever else you can think of. That is, if you are willing to do this for me.
I was wondering if you could help me out with some flags (only flags this time, no buttons) for some of the era flags?
I need any good ideas you can come up with, and you know all of the civs in the game and which flags you have already made for me, so if you could help out with some that'd be awesome.
Civs that really need era-flags are Byzantium, Khmer, Babylon, Israel, Carthage, Portugal, Zulu, Iroquois, Maya, Aztecs, China (I need a Qin character), Korea (I would like a Goguryeo symbol), Mongolia (I have no idea), Vikings, Sumeria, and the Franks.
A few I'd definitely like, is a bi-color Union Jack flag, the bird and star symbol from Zimbabwe's flag (I was going to use that as the Zulu modern flag), some Sumerian and Babylonian stuff, and whatever else you can think of. That is, if you are willing to do this for me.
