Art of the Possible

[TheLastJacobite]

Spain declared war in favor of Britain/France actually...

OOC: What about Denmark? Poland? Russia? Portugal? Or any of the other neutral or allied nations? Thats where your problem is.: you've both turned on your strategic allies. France's declaration of seeing the CSA (a nation they helped create) burn in hell, Britain's hostile attitude towards the USA and Austria-Hungary (former allies against France) and the joint condemnation of the Ottoman Empire (a country both Great Powers purported to be allies with one year ago in game) tells the rest of the world that no one is safe, that neither of you can be trusted and that your causi belli is flimsier than a paper streamer. That is why I and others who would normally flock to your banners remained neutral; we could be next.

You two need to seriously ask yourselves if alienating the entire planet is worth a trade treaty in Siam. How much EP/IC would you each have lost in that deal? One, maybe two? How many Hydra lives have the Americans taken? How much of your economy have those naughty nations shattered by sitting at a table and agreeing that your bullying of a nation you both claim to support is wrong? And logistically, how are you going to literally take on all of North America, most of Central Europe, South Africa, the Ottoman Empire and fight in the jungles of Siam all at the same time? Remember the submarine warfare the Germans fought in World Wars 1 and 2? Look forward to that without any supplies from pretty much the entire Western Hemisphere. I can't wait to see how Britain plans to feed its citizens (let alone its armies in the field) while at war with some of their main suppliers and supply lines that literally stretch around the world. I'm honestly excited to see how utterly awful this war is for you. You can't beat them all in a few years and all they have to do is wait for your people to start starving to death.

 

[Immaculate]

OOC: they declared an embargo fairly explicitly. An embargo means that there are legal barriers or restrictions on trade to the embargoed country. As in, conducting trade with the UK is a crime in the US. Currently US citizens do not have freedom of choice to trade with the UK. Lifting the embargo is allowing that choice.

I've looked through the thread using the search function and found that to be untrue.

To be clear though, WE DID MEAN SANCTIONS. as in punitive tariffs... really obscenely ludicrously punitive tariffs.

 

[Traveller76]

Fort Lauderdale Trade League

With peace talks between Siam and the French and British stalling, and in fact seemingly deliberately sabotaged by the latter parties, it appears increasingly obvious that the Fort Lauderdale Sanctions will have to proceed. Ultimately our goal is to bring peace to Siam and avoid the insanity of war. To that end, we hope these sanctions will help the British and French people to pressure their governments into ceasing their irrational and baseless war.

Denying ourselves access to the French and British markets and preventing the sale of their goods on our markets will not be without consequence and to alleviate the commercial and economic concerns of the French and British sanctions, we hereby commit to reduce trade tariffs on all goods being traded between our fellow signatories.

The signatories recognize that reduced tariffs between our members may not alleviate the entirety of the economic difficulties of sanctioning France and Britain, but we hope it can alleviate the majority of the damage our valorous stance will cause and create new opportunity for prosperity and growth that might otherwise have been stifled by the dominance of French and British goods on our markets.

This trade agreement is open to any nation who engages in sanctioning French and Britain over their unjust war in Siam.


The Confederate States of America

Signed by Somsak Kulap Metharom representing His Majesty King Rama VII Chakri King of Siam.

 

[Masada]

Short answer: I didn't establish a trade league which explicitly disadvantages the trade of nations not aligned to US foreign policy. The net result of which is that the neutrals, including you, is under a sort of semi-sanction now too. Denmark picked that up. I'm surprised nobody else did.

 

[Nuka-sama]

It'd be a bit more threatening if anyone, you know, had submarines? Our economies are going to be fine and not every naton joined the embargo. We can trade with nearly all of South America and just signed a trade deal with Brazil.

As for allies, it was the CSA who joined with the USA first. Not the other way around.

I don't know why you're saying all this stuff OOC but I like my odds for this coming conflict. I'm still open to any negotiations but all deals will start with the acceptance of the treaty of Bangkok and the immediate end to all sanctions against Britain and France. I have said that from the start and will maintain that stance

 

[TheLastJacobite]

Short answer: I didn't establish a trade league which explicitly disadvantages the trade of nations not aligned to US foreign policy. The net result of which is that the neutrals, including you, is under a sort of semi-sanction now too. Denmark picked that up.

OOC: And my point is that that only happened because you two acted like a minor trade treaty between the US and Siam was a declaration of against you both and your unwavering commitment to that stance has turned most of the world against you.

 

[Decamper]

I'm still open to any negotiations but all deals will start with the acceptance of the treaty of Bangkok and the immediate end to all sanctions against Britain and France. I have said that from the start and will maintain that stance

'I'm open to negotiations as long as I don't have to negotiate.'

 

[Immaculate]

I wish there was a 'thumbs up' button for posts.

 

[christos200]

OOC: And all that happened because EQ did not lock orders. lol. In game citizens must hate EQ.

 

[Masada]

You know why negotiations failed Immac. Siam was nowhere to be found. You also wouldn't consider changing the trigger for sanctions. I can quote the exchange of you'd like. Hell I can quote the mediator you selected, outright agreeing with me that no progress could be made because of those two facts. Blaming me for the breakdown in negotiations is dumb. And I'm ignoring how you only began serious negotiations with 2 days left before update. I negotiated in good faith, and was and remain annoyed that a basic request that the Boers be kicked out was ignored for so long. As I've alluded to IC you were playing for time. Sanctions were always the goal.

 

[Immaculate]

You know why negotiations failed Immac. Siam was nowhere to be found. You also wouldn't consider changing the trigger for sanctions. I can quote the exchange of you'd like. Hell I can quote the mediator you selected, outright agreeing with me that no progress could be made because of those two facts. Blaming me for the breakdown in negotiations is dumb. And I'm ignoring how you only began serious negotiations with 2 days left before update. I negotiated in good faith, and was and remain annoyed that a basic request that the Boers be kicked out was ignored for so long. As I've alluded to IC you were playing for time. Sanctions were always the goal.

Lets not make these out-of-character accusations as to what happened why out in public. Lets keep the thread IC, or if OOC, less personal.

If you want to discuss this stuff with me out-of character, you know my skype address.

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[DuneBear]

Link to video.

This is what theDright originally posted

 

[Masada]

There's one accusation total. And if we hadn't had the extension it would have been true. Live with it. Your not the victim you claim to be.

 

[Nailix]

Italy is mobilizing, as a precautionary measure.

 

[Terran Empress]

Prussia demanded all of Germany, including Bavaria and Austria, to stay out. Austria demanded a swathe of the Ottoman Empire to do the same. I'm IC going to publish the correspondence later.

Lies and slander.

The British government is twisting what France offered to the Austro-Hungarian government to stay out of the coalition into demands, and Austria-Hungary WILL NOT stand for this libel, and we have the correspondence saved as proof to perfidious Albion's duplicity.

 

[Ahigin]

EDIT: There was a message here. Now there is none. Summary of the message was: "There must be some sportsmanship in the art of backstabbing. If you leave the game, please don't give away any diplo, it ruins the fun for many of us. Thank you."

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

So I'm going to throw this out there as a possibility. As always I reserve the right to do whatever I want, but I would like opinions, especially because you all may see different elements of the question that I have missed.

Simply put, I feel as though I have fumbled the start of this game more than any other game I've ever done. Thanks to Fallout 4 and the holidays, not to mention a dramatically and unexpected increase of workload at my place of employment, I have definitely not given the attention this game and you all deserve. So, I've been moderately considering hitting a "reset button" on the whole thing and starting anew after the holidays have ended and I don't have to postpone or delay every single week.

Pro-reset button thoughts: We don't have to worry about what happened in 1900 this time around and can have a new, clean slate on doing diplomacy and maneuvering in the game. Also, it would give me time to revise and refresh NPC positions, and new stats and pricing.

Anti-reset button thoughts: World War 1 is about to start, and people have already seen a glimpse or more into others' political and military strategies. Not exactly fair, though it's probably better to do the reset now than halfway into the war. On the other hand, postponing also has its own unfair elements too, as people expecting to use the time limit to achieve goals will be consistently disappointed.

Really, I'd like to hear any thoughts one way or another to better help make a decision: do I keep postponing updates erratically through the holidays or wait until mid-January to just reboot and reset the whole game?

 

[christos200]

I would like it to continue as it is, but if you want to reboot it that's ok too.

 

[thomas.berubeg]

I would rather not reset.

 

[Ahigin]

Reset doesn't sound too good. Maybe we should just "freeze" the game until you can keep up with it?