Ask A Protestant Christian II

[warpus]

If one excepted a gift and the gift giver changed his mind, would one have a choice?

So you're saying that you couldn't accept him as your saviour if he was actively denying that he was in fact the son of God, etc. (I think that's what you're saying)

What if he wasn't denying it? What if he accepted that he is a part of the trinity, son of God, died for your sins, etc. but just doesn't like Christianity the organized religion and refuses to practice or partake in it..?

edit: so the offer of salvation is still on the table, but the rules have changed a bit

 

[timtofly]

Would you continue to accept Jesus as your saviour if he came back and it turned out that he rejected Christianity and was practicing a form of Buddhism instead?

If one excepted a gift and the gift giver changed his mind, would one have a choice?

I chose to accept the gift He gave me. Jesus is the gift giver and He chose to give it to me. If Jesus changes the plan, how am I supposed to counter that? Only Jesus can give and take away. There is no choice in that on my part. I apologize if I was unclear.

So you're saying that you couldn't accept him as your saviour if he was actively denying that he was in fact the son of God, etc. (I think that's what you're saying)

What if he wasn't denying it? What if he accepted that he is a part of the trinity, son of God, died for your sins, etc. but just doesn't like Christianity the organized religion and refuses to practice or partake in it..?

edit: so the offer of salvation is still on the table, but the rules have changed a bit

I have already accepted Jesus. I cannot un-accept it. Jesus is going to come back as a thief in the night and only those who have accepted Him are going to leave. The next time the Messiah comes back it will be in broad daylight and the whole world will see; for it is to intervene in the annihilation of the Jews. There are no rules concerning God's gift to mankind. One either takes it or leaves it.

 

[Shekwan]

So he's going to intervene in the annihilation of the Jews?

What if that's already happened?

 

[PeteAtoms]

We are all moral creatures who have similiar ideas of right and wrong. Since Jesus is God and Buddha is "a way" to God; I have eliminated the middle man. BTW every religion is the "middle man" thus I do not adhere to any religion.

I was looking for a more specific answer. And i wasn't asking which religion was right and which were wrong.

 

[SG-17]

So he's going to intervene in the annihilation of the Jews?

What if that's already happened?

What if it happens and he doesn't show up?

Like if Ahmadhatter goes through with his threats and actually manages to wipe out Israel?

 

[timtofly]

What aspects of other religions do you respect (besides judaism)?

Do you find beauty in the words of Buddha? Are they at all inspiring? Aren't they just as spiritually profound as anything Jesus said? What makes Buddha wrong and Jesus right?

I respect, find beauty and inspiration, and profound spiritual truths in all religions because we are all moral beings. I just believe that Jesus is God and all other religions are based on the ideas of men. Now if a religion denies that Jesus is God, then that is where there's a difference. So any idea, truth, opinion, preference, way of life, symbolism, facts, writings, etc., that claims Jesus is not God, I do not have to agree with, but all of the above that has to do with living a moral life I enjoy learning about since I believe God is revealed in all of us and I like trying to piece together this human puzzle of "God". If Buddha does not acknowledge that Jesus is God, then he got it wrong.

You are going to ask next how could he, so here is my best answer. If he did not specifically say anywhere, that there would be a prophet that would come to the Jews and claim to be God, and then turn around and deny that Jesus was God, nor ever could be, then I guess we can say he never acknowledged the fact. I cannot say when the followers of Jesus had any influence on the followers of Buddha. It has never really crossed my mind. Now we do know that there were wise men from the east. Now if one of these had been a follower of Buddha, then they had some idea that a "prince" of the Jews was going to be born. Honestly, I have not thought of it until this moment. It does sound interesting though, Thanks.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Animals are clearly less valuable... we have dominion over them. They are still important of course.

There's no doubt they were less valuable. Where we seem to be disagreeing is, I seem to think that animals dying is a necessary evil, but a result of an imperfect world, while you seem to think Sin would not be required for this to happen. I'll get back to the point at a later time, but that seems to be the disagreement.

I am a little upset that my dog may not get into Heaven... I think that should be case by case!

I don't think animals have souls, but I guess the Bible technically doesn't say anything about it, so we don't know for sure...

What aspects of other religions do you respect (besides judaism)?

Do you find beauty in the words of Buddha? Are they at all inspiring? Aren't they just as spiritually profound as anything Jesus said

Well, all religions were based off the true one if you go far enough back. Now, you'll probably argue that this isn't true, but from Christian prespective it is. Belief in one God is older than "Judaism" or "Christianity" specifically. At the time, they were only expected to believe what God told them (How much info this was I don't know.)

I don't see any reason to waste time reading other religious texts, as I already know the truth, but they are certainly not as profound as Jesus' words...

What makes Buddha wrong and Jesus right?

Would you continue to accept Jesus as your saviour if he came back and it turned out that he rejected Christianity and was practicing a form of Buddhism instead?

Well, the Bible warns of this kind of thing, and that would be proof that he's not the real Jesus Christ, but a phony impression.

Are you mainstream or liberal protestant?

I'm Evangelical and Credobaptist (I believe in baptizing believers, not infants.) I attend a Baptist Church, but I don't call myself "Baptist" because there are some Baptist doctrines I disagree with, or at least, there are doctrines of my Baptist Church that I disagree with.

What if it happens and he doesn't show up?

Like if Ahmadhatter goes through with his threats and actually manages to wipe out Israel?

It won't happen.

 

[GenMarshall]

Jesus is the gift giver and He chose to give it to me.

Are you saying that Jesus is...


Link to video.

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[kochman]

What aspects of other religions do you respect (besides judaism)?

Do you find beauty in the words of Buddha? Are they at all inspiring? Aren't they just as spiritually profound as anything Jesus said? What makes Buddha wrong and Jesus right?

You can accept things that Buddha says and still be a Christian. Buddhism is, from what I know of it, more of a meditative thing than a worshipping of a being thing.
That being said, any point where there is a contradiction between Jesus's teachings and Buddha's, I'm rolling with Jesus.

Can anyone point out where they might have contradicted each other?

 

[GhostWriter16]

Can anyone point out where they might have contradicted each other?

Well, Buddhism teaches meditation to gain "Enlightenment" and it teaches reincarnation. Both of these things contradict Jesus' teachings.

 

[SG-17]

It won't happen.

I'm asking you a "what if". What if Iran did wipe out Israel and no one managed to stop it? What would run through your head at that news (besides presumably horror)?

 

[kochman]

Well, Buddhism teaches meditation to gain "Enlightenment" and it teaches reincarnation. Both of these things contradict Jesus' teachings.

How is meditation to gain enlightenment against Jesus's teachings?

Reincarnation... I'll kind of grant that one. However, Jesus didn't really speak against that, and the idea was already around (from India at a minimum) for a LONG time.

 

[Leoreth]

What do you think of the hypothesis that Jesus studied Buddhist teachings in India or other Buddhist regions during the time of his life that's not documented in the Bible?

 

[kochman]

What do you think of the hypothesis that Jesus studied Buddhist teachings in India or other Buddhist regions during the time of his life that's not documented in the Bible?

Personally, I think it's a moot point.

 

[SG-17]

What do you think of the hypothesis that Jesus studied Buddhist teachings in India or other Buddhist regions during the time of his life that's not documented in the Bible?

I'd like to hear more about this. Links please.

 

[classical_hero]

edit: so the offer of salvation is still on the table, but the rules have changed a bit

The offer of salvation has always been the same. Simple belief in God.
Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

What do you think of the hypothesis that Jesus studied Buddhist teachings in India or other Buddhist regions during the time of his life that's not documented in the Bible?

Absolute rubbish. Jesus would not have any need to even visit that area.

 

[Flying Pig]

Absolute rubbish. Jesus would not have any need to even visit that area.

Considering that Buddhists are atheist, where did you get that ides from?

 

[Shekwan]

So he's going to intervene in the annihilation of the Jews?

What if that's already happened?

What if it happens and he doesn't show up?

Like if Ahmadhatter goes through with his threats and actually manages to wipe out Israel?

Equally valid question, but a solid "what if".

I'm focused on the possibility that an attempted annihilation of the Jews has happened ( I wonder when?) and that whoever was responsible for stopping that (I wonder who? *cough* Stalin *cough*) has already lived.

 

[kochman]

I'm focused on the possibility that an attempted annihilation of the Jews has happened ( I wonder when?) and that whoever was responsible for stopping that (I wonder who? *cough* Stalin *cough*) has already lived.

Are you really giving credit to Stalin for stopping the annihilation of the Jews?
He was a bigger mass murderer than Hitler! Pogroms were definitely happening under his watch as well.
He didn't launch into WW2 to save the Jews, the USSR was attacked by Germany, and thus brought in.

I will grant that the USSR did the lion's share of the fighting in Europe, but it wasn't out of some ultruistic idea to save the Jews! It was simply to save the USSR!

 

[Leoreth]

I'd like to hear more about this. Links please.

I've heard this long ago, don't even know anymore if it was in school, TV or in some book; so I could only offer you what I can find on google.

Absolute rubbish. Jesus would not have any need to even visit that area.

Maybe he did because he wanted to?