It's an academic exercise to debate points which have no meaning outside of their academic assumptions. That's why I never get involved in the many moral scenarios posted at CFC. They're all based on totally unrealistic situations. I don't derive any satisfaction, since a conclusion can never be reached as the situation is unlikely to occur. Goes back to my previous point. If you are intent on outarguing illogical premises within their own sphere, for your own satisfaction, go right ahead, but it doesn't gain you anything. The most religious people are so irrational that they care nothing for arguments anyway, and so will not be moved.