Hi all. Since there isn't one started about Atlanteology, I thought I'd start one. I can answer questions about Atlanteology -- what it is and what we study or specialize in.
The Questions I'll answer can be related to:
1. Atlanteology in General
2. Out of Place Artifacts. This includes trees in vertical strata, and the Sphinx.
3. Ancient Astronauts.
4. The Pyramids.
5. The Electric Universe as it pertains to the Solar System and only the Solar System.
6. The Illuminati Creation Myth.
7. the Neolithic Age.
I won't have this thread into a religious debate between Evolution and Young Earth Creationism. The proponents of both theories and their debates are highly religious in nature and are of little consequence to this thread.
DISCLAIMER: Some of the answers I will give will be challenging to the Mainstream's point of view. Some of them will be preposterous. I will do my best to give answers as they stand in current scholarship of the topic. Any of my personal answers or views will be marked IMO or Hypothesis. I will also give links to various videos on the web that will support my answers.
There is too much scientific evidence against the Romance of the Stone Age. When you find lights that don't turn off under the sea in Cuba, and in a "cave" in New Zealand; or when you find that the Flower of Life was laser etched in stone at the Osirion; or you find lead piping that isn't supposed to be in a lake in China that dates older than Roman lead piping; things start to get suspicious and you start to think that the Mainstream story of the Romance of the Stone Age is not the right story.
It's not just about Cro Magnons beating up on Neanderthals over a 3,500 year period. There was something else going one that the artifacts are telling us.
They act like it. Some act like fanatical Evangelists *Cough* Richard Dawkins *cough!*, others less like fanatics. But yes, by what I have observed of the fruit of their labor, they are religious.
This statement is not only dead wrong, but also offensive. I find it fascinating that a brand-new forum member would not only immediately come to OT, but start out posting contentious and offensive material with a "red diamond" label on it.
This statement is not only dead wrong, but also offensive. I find it fascinating that a brand-new forum member would not only immediately come to OT, but start out posting contentious and offensive material with a "red diamond" label on it.
Look, the OP is entitled to whatever opinion he has, no matter how wrong or offensive it may be. I also don't see what is so wrong with people wanting to discuss the religious aspects of this theory. For example, as crazy and out there as something like Scientology or Discordianism is, they are still both legitimate topics that can be discussed amongst interested individuals and experts.
Look, the OP is entitled to whatever opinion he has, no matter how wrong or offensive it may be. I also don't see what is so wrong with people wanting to discuss the religious aspects of this theory. For example, as crazy and out there as something like Scientology or Discordianism is, they are still both legitimate topics that can be discussed amongst interested individuals and experts.
When did I say the OP can't hold whatever opinions he has? My objection is this:
I won't have this thread into a religious debate between Evolution and Young Earth Creationism. The proponents of both theories and their debates are highly religious in nature and are of little consequence to this thread.
In other words: "I have just insulted a portion of the members of this forum, but have declared it outside the scope of this thread to refute the insulting thing I just said."
Evolution is not a religion, and I'm more than tired of people referring to it in such terms.
What do think the topics you list have to do with Atlantis? My understanding is that Atlantis is considered as a possibly allegorical island of antiquity that was advanced for its time and destroyed. Many believe it was Minoan Santorini.
I would also like to hear further detail of:
lights that don't turn off under the sea in Cuba, and in a "cave" in New Zealand; or when you find that the Flower of Life was laser etched in stone at the Osirion; or you find lead piping that isn't supposed to be in a lake in China that dates older than Roman lead piping
Can't find what the Cuba thing is about unless it's the pyramids supposedly found (I suspect fake, and the video on that link is clearly not the same place as there is no way they can be diving to those depths)
I'll just post a short note of agreement and move on.
My question for the thread is what does Atlanteology entail? There is not a wikipedia entry, and the first google entry is this thread. Is it limited to a belief in Atlantis? Does it necessarily connect with all that Ancient Alien stuff? Why did you include the Pyramids and what particular significance do they have with Atlanteology? What do you mean by "Electric Universe" and how is that different from, ya know, regular electricity that exists in our universe?
I would point out that something religious is not necessarily a religion. The claim a scientist would make is that they rely more on the observable as apposed to the unknown, and the religious rely more on the unknown than the observable. So technically a religion is not just based on a deity, but on the unknown. I think that science would not last a day, if they gave up the part of the method that speculates and predicts items that fall into the realm of the unknown.
Having said this, Atlanteology would also be a religious concept, but the point the OP is making is to not derail the topic into other religious points of the unknown.
Hi all. Since there isn't one started about Atlanteology, I thought I'd start one. I can answer questions about Atlanteology -- what it is and what we study or specialize in.
Based on the general discussion so far and on what I read about twenty years ago from Graham Hancock, you are describing and ancient, global, very advanced civilization. The timing he gave points to about 10,500 BC.
2. Out of Place Artifacts. This includes trees in vertical strata, and the Sphinx.
I read something about the Sphinx being eroded by water and not by wind. That gives it a much earlier date than what is presented by mainstream theory.
Uh, what is it? I tried to open a general discussion about creation stories in another thread.
7. the Neolithic Age.
I won't have this thread into a religious debate between Evolution and Young Earth Creationism. The proponents of both theories and their debates are highly religiousdogmatic in nature and are of little consequence to this thread.
It has not yet occured to me what this discussion has to do with evolutionism and young earth creationism.
DISCLAIMER: Some of the answers I will give will be challenging to the Mainstream's point of view. Some of them will be preposterous. I will do my best to give answers as they stand in current scholarship of the topic. Any of my personal answers or views will be marked IMO or Hypothesis. I will also give links to various videos on the web that will support my answers.
Well, personally, I like to entertain radical (outside mainstream) theories because they are, well, entertaining.
I spoilered the discussion below because it is off the main topic.
Spoiler:
This statement is not only dead wrong, but also offensive. I find it fascinating that a brand-new forum member would not only immediately come to OT, but start out posting contentious and offensive material with a "red diamond" label on it.
I do not see anything offensive in what he said, and I am not aware of a minimum post count requirement to start a red diamond thread. The OP seems to be starting a discussion in good faith and there is no law saying that you have to participate in the discussion. The comment has nothing to do with the OP topic and contributes nothing to the discussion. It is a read diamond thread.
Well i think the OP asked for it asserting that Evolution=Religion. Bad way to start a thread if you dont want to see it derail into a Religion vs Science discussion.
That said there are some unexplained facts there which are curious to say the least but Atlanteology looks like more a religion than anything else, with Erich von Daniken as its prophet and where every single thing, from a bizarrely shaped rock to some remote African myth is related to ancient aliens.
may be too late, but I think it was a mistake to bring up your comment before your disclaimer. It draws attention to it, and as you can see, already is derailing your thread. My advice is to remove that line. RD threads have to stay on-topic by definition, so you shouldn't have to worry about it. If you feel posts are stepping over the line, you can alert the moderator's attention to them by clicking on:
next to the post and explain what issue you have with it.
I must say I'm very sceptical of Ancient Aliens. But I'm willing to hear arguments. Unfortunately that usually means that I get a lot of examples which are supposed to prove their existence and their visit to Earth. Meaning I already lose intereast when having to wade through each single one of them only to find that the evidence is circumstantial at best.
It may be a constructive idea to select the clearest example you have which you think is very strong evidence for the case you're making and stick to that. Could you give us one such example? Preferable not just a video. I'm not going to sit through an episode of Ancient Aliens for instance. I have tried that and it makes me want to punch someone in the face
edit: Also, can you tell us a little bit about the basics of Atlanteology? Never heard it before.
I'll just post a short note of agreement and move on.
My question for the thread is what does Atlanteology entail? There is not a wikipedia entry, and the first google entry is this thread. Is it limited to a belief in Atlantis? Does it necessarily connect with all that Ancient Alien stuff? Why did you include the Pyramids and what particular significance do they have with Atlanteology? What do you mean by "Electric Universe" and how is that different from, ya know, regular electricity that exists in our universe?
That's weird. You're supposed to get links to Top Secret and "Quest for the Lost Civilization" by Graham Hancock. We discuss these topics in depth over in the Top Secret forum, as well as watch and read Graham Hancock's books. That's very wierd that this thread comes up first on a google search.
My question for the thread is what does Atlanteology entail?
The Archaeology based on the claims of Civilization before the Flood, or after. Whether it comes from India, Plato, Arabia, North America, China, Australia, or Easter Island. Atlanteology includes a number of things, from the Mainstream to way out there.
1. The Satorini Hypothesis. Which is Atlantis was the Minoan Civilization, however that doesn't put to rest the Out of Place Artifacts.
2. The Pyramids were built according to a level of engineering and Mathematics that we are just beginning to understand. Engineering and mathematics the Egyptians weren't supposed to have in Early Dynastic Egypt.
3. Zechariah Sitchen's claims about Sumerian records.
4. Ancient Aliens. I'll go over this in more detail to your question about them.
5. The Hollow Earth, or Shambala, or Eden.
6. The Bible. Particularly Genesis chapters 3 through 7.
No, it isn't. The science of "Atlantis Logic" covers Lemuria, Mu, and in some cases, Shambala. It also covers a civilization on Mars. More on that on your Ancient Aliens question.
Does it necessarily connect with all that Ancient Alien stuff?
Yes. But only to a limited extent on how Ancient Aliens influenced Atlantis. Most of the time, it centers on Man, but I've been interviewing a "soul" (soul as in a man, not a ghost) who had been there -- and he said that Ancient Aliens were much more involved. However, he's my only source of first hand knowledge to begin with, so I can't cite him because the Law of 2 or 3 Witnesses has not been fulfilled. So, don't ask me for peer review on that. All I can state is -- There is no DEMONSTRABLE PHYSICAL evidence that Ancient Aliens have been shepherding our civilization -- with my tongue in cheek.
Most of the OOPARTs we've found could have been made by human hands.
Why did you include the Pyramids and what particular significance do they have with Atlanteology?
As I said on point two, they were constructed with Mathematical knowledge the Ancient Egyptians shouldn't have had. Pi, the Golden Ratio, and the Meter has all been found in the Pyramids, and that's just the start. Secondly, there are no Egyptian Heiroglyphs anywhere on and in the pyramids. Just a cartouche that states Cephren's name; and there is strong evidence the cartouche was a forgery.
What do you mean by "Electric Universe" and how is that different from, ya know, regular electricity that exists in our universe?
Electromagnetism is 10 x 10^39 times more powerful than Gravity. It's the force that drives the Universe. How the theory links back to Atlanteology is because of David Talbot. David Talbot is probably the Atlanteologist's best friend in Mythology and Astronomy right now, because of his book "the Saturn Myth." What he talks about in the Saturn Myth has strong implications for History.
Although regular electricity isn't the right term, what you are looking for is Relativity. The Electric Universe theory is 12,000 years senior to Einstein's Theory of Relativity. But like both Evolution and Young Earth Creationism; both are correct, there is no either this/or that about them. Just that the Theory of Relativity makes claims that the Electric Universe flatly denies, like the existence of black holes and neutron stars. However, the Electric Cosmos is not our concern; it's the Solar System that is.
That's just it, would an explanation for all the Weird Things necessarily involve sunken continents at all?
No. Not really. The closest to a sunken continent is the mid atlantic ridge and the Azores, but there is nothing continent sized that is really "sunken."
[HYPOTHESIS] Graham Hancock believes that Atlantis is found on Antarctica. I believe its North America[/HYPOTHESIS], but my hypothesis was shot down by the World Wide Language.
lights that don't turn off under the sea in Cuba, and in a "cave" in New Zealand; or when you find that the Flower of Life was laser etched in stone at the Osirion; or you find lead piping that isn't supposed to be in a lake in China that dates older than Roman lead piping -- request for more detail
I don't have time to get into all the details on that particular thing, I have a magazine layout and a book layout to get back to. However, as I said, I'll link videos that back up claims that can summarize in more detail.
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I tried to open a general discussion about creation stories in another thread.
