Assyria underpowered?

I started a game with Assyria this weekend. Played a lot because I hurt my back Friday and couldn't do much. King, standard speed, large pangaea map, raging barbs, sparse resources, and one less civ than whatever the default number. It's a very odd-shaped continent and I still haven't explored the whole perimeter yet, in the modern era and I have the Great Lighthouse. :crazyeye:

Tradition, Honor opener, Commerce, Rationalism opener, Freedom. (I have foreign legions and artillery and leftover siege towers for their sapper bonus, everyone else still has muskets and knights and trebuchets -- but it's a really big map with a lot of rough terrain)

As soon as i got 2 siege towers I captured Rio de Janeiro and another city which I razed, and went from last place in science to third, and there were no more techs to steal from Brazil. I could have wiped Pedro off the map, but I was having happiness problems, so I took Brasília in a peace deal (it had marble) and set my sights on Germany.

By the time I got my happiness positive again (I had lots of truffles and not much else; nobody had any spare luxes to trade) I was the tech leader. Eventually I did DoW Bismarck and took 4 or 5 of his dozen cities (razed all but 2) but I stopped short of capturing Berlin. One of the cities had Forbidden Palace and another wonder and that was enough for now, and I'm not ready to piss off my good friend Gandhi yet. We've been denouncing the same other leaders (Brazil and Egypt) and he has been overlooking my warmongering.

Somebody has eliminated Mongolia; I think it was Shaka, but it might be Egypt and then Shaka took the Mongol cities from them. (that would explain why Gandhi hates Ramses so much)

I did not expect to be the technology leader so quickly. (I use trade routes to determine if a civ has *any* techs that I don't, and none of them do) It kind of takes the fun out of capturing AI cities. Does that mean I should be playing at a higher level? I also think large continents might be a better map for Assyria; eliminate the other civs on your continent before Astronomy, then work on gold and infrastructure so you can crank up your war machine later when you meet the rest of the world.
 
As I move up in difficulty I'm getting more and more interested in Assyria. I play on Immortal so I'm sure taking early cities (which I love to do, and succeed far more often then otherwise by doing so) will give me techs in addition to the HUGE advantages of having an early cap or two. The siege towers are interesting to me partly because they're tougher and can actually take cities but mostly because they give a big bonus to units around them that stacks with the GG bonus. The royal library won't help early but it will help you upgrade faster once you generate a great writer or two. It's not an easy Civ to play but my intuition tells me they can be very strong if used properly. I've never played against a human so this is confined to SP. Also, I still don't have a Deity win under my belt. Just the same, I don't think Assyria is under-powered, I think it's misunderstood and misused. I'll get back to you when I give it a shot on Immortal. Lower then that and I won't get much return at all out of the UA.
 
The sapper bonus from a non-upgraded siege tower never goes obsolete, you just have to be careful so the city or a strong melee unit doesn't one-shot it. So move the tower into position the same turn you attack with bazookas and GDR's, and make sure the it always starts at 100% health so the AI targets something else if the city doesn't fall in one turn. Don't actually attack with the siege tower until the turn you expect to capture the city.

It's supposed to work even if the siege tower is embarked, so parking it on top of a destroyer or battleship is pretty safe.
 
Keep in mind that this thread started right after BNW release before any of the BNW patches. (There may be out of date aspects in the 2013 posts)
 
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