At what point do you think abortions should be allowed during pregnancy if at all?

[Xanikk999]

When the child is outside of the body, it isnt abortion, but murder. Until the thing comes out, it should be her right to do whatever she wants with it.

Well then i think you have twisted views im afraid.

You can have those views but it is irresponsible.

Il reiterate.

Why should a mother be allowed to kill her baby if its not a threat to her life IF the baby is at a stage where it CAN survive!
Why? Tell me why?

If she didnt want to have a baby she could of gotten an EARLY TERM ABORTION.

 

[Inqvisitor]

It's her body. Not a church, or some politician's.

She is totally free to use surgical tools to slowly take apart her own body piece by piece and drop it in a dumpster. I think what the OP means here is referring to the child that is inside her body.

 

[Xanikk999]

A lot of irresponsible behaviours are not outlawed.


My opinion does not entirely rely on a liberal stance. I think that as long as a baby is inside a womb, it is a foetus, and I think foetus can be aborted. But ultimately I think it's the mother's choice.



Morals have nothing to do with conservatism. Slavery was once a conservative thing. Racism is too.



Good for you! But for me, I wouldn't say that of course late term abortions are okay. I just think it's the woman's choice.

But when the irresponsible behavior affects innocent lives shouldnt it be outlawed?

 

[Masquerouge]

So technically it IS murder because IT can survive!

Embryos can and do survive too. That's the whole point of in-vitro. Yet you agree with early-term pregnancy?

 

[Masquerouge]

But when the irresponsible behavior affects innocent lives shouldnt it be outlawed?

Bad parenting is rarely outlawed.
EDIT: and I wouldn't abuse the use of "innocent". Obviously you've not been a kindergarten teacher

 

[Xanikk999]

Bad parenting is rarely outlawed.

Yeah but thats not a practical thing to outlaw or enforce.

But on your comment certain parenting practices are outlawed.

I beileve in some states spanking your child for instance can be child abuse.

Quite the contrast from 50 years ago. But its still unenforcable but still.

 

[Markus6]

I just think it's the woman's choice.

And also the doctors. If you can find one to take on a later stage abortion then you've done very well, and I would not want to see some of the things he has seen.

 

[Xanikk999]

Embryos can and do survive too. That's the whole point of in-vitro. Yet you agree with early-term pregnancy?

Ugh i hate the technicalities of this crap but embryos are quite different!

They are just a clump of cells at that stage and we shouldnt become overzealous in our abortion laws i beileve.

 

[MjM]

She is totally free to use surgical tools to slowly take apart her own body piece by piece and drop it in a dumpster. I think what the OP means here is referring to the child that is inside her body.

The baby is inside her body. It is her body, its in there, so it's hers.

 

[MjM]

Well then i think you have twisted views im afraid

Well I think its twisted for the state or church to tell people that they cant get rid of a lifeform inside of there own body if they wish.

 

[Inqvisitor]

The baby is inside her body. It is her body, its in there, so it's hers.

So if a man ate a small child, he'd be covered by this policy too...? What's in there must be his...

The baby is God's property. By committing murder, including cases of abortion, you deprive yourself of the right to live.

 

[Masquerouge]

Yeah but thats not a practical thing to outlaw or enforce.

So? This crime is okay because it can not be enforced?
To me, the early and late terms are arbitrary. Why 3 months and not 75 days?

Since I can not find a definition that I agree with, I come back to something simple: if it's in the womb, it's a foetus, and if it's a foetus, you can abort it.

I think basically I side with MjM.

I beileve in some states spanking your child for instance can be child abuse.
Quite the contrast from 50 years ago. But its still unenforcable but still.

Yeah, Sweden is famous for these kind of laws.

 

[Masquerouge]

So if a man ate a small child, he'd be covered by this policy too...? What's in there must be his...

The baby is God's property. By committing murder, including cases of abortion, you deprive yourself of the right to live.

Well, I don't think you should base laws on religious beliefs, unless the whole population share those beliefs.

 

[MjM]

...God's property...

Although im a Christian myself, that's not really much of an arguement for anyone who does not beleive in God.

 

[Xanikk999]

Well I think its twisted for the state or church to tell people that they cant get rid of a lifeform inside of there own body if they wish.

I already said in numerous threads im not religious and im actually agnostic.

And no this actually has nothing to do with religion.

It has to do with common morals.

 

[Masquerouge]

It has to do with common morals.

A quick look at history and geography pretty much shows that morals are everything but common.

 

[Caprice]

Only to save the mother's life.

I take the same stand, although I will accept choice in the case of rape -- I won't, however, support an abortion just because I support the right to choose in such cases. Why should the baby have to pay for the crimes of it's father?

When the baby (fine, fetus for those of you who like technicalities) is the direct result of a choice (consentual sex), why should we promote irrisponcibility with an easy* out?

I'd much rather support adoption than abortion whenever possible.

*(Yes, I realize there are emotional consequences to those who have had an abortion, meaning it isn't an "easy" choice necesarily, I still argue that it is "easier" than raising and providing for a child for 20+ years or, at the very least, keeping the baby until birth and putting it up for adoption)

 

[Bluemofia]

First few months... But later can be done if only to save the mother's life.

 

[Xanikk999]

A quick look at history and geography pretty much shows that morals are everything but common.

Maybe if you speak worldwide. But not locally.

 

[Masquerouge]

Maybe if you speak worldwide. But not locally.

What's local? Even country-wide you have huge moral differences. Just look at a Hassidic Jew vs an Amish vs a Vegan vs a NRA member...