Atheists and attacking/vehemently questioning others' faith

[FredLC]

No, its not at all. Its common sense. An atheist leader would not just let Christians be. They would not support anything that they percieve as too religiously orientated. And the perameters for that are up to them.

Are you implying that in order to exist, christians have to exclude anyone else?

Besides, if that excuses MobBosses's decision, than you are both intolerants as much as the atheists are supposed toi be, and can't criticize atheists for being like you. After all, the contrario sensu would be true, and being atheist would mean to want to alienate christians, who would vetoe the policies wanted by the non-believers.

All things considered, that perception is simple-minded, and people do not have to have group mentality and be sectarist just because they disagree.

Anyway, I thought religion was a personal choice. Even if a state embarks in secular endeavours only, how exactly does that harms your religiosity?

Notice, for instance, that I would not support an atheist government anymore than an theist one. A secular goverment is the way to go, and the only thing asked.

Regards .

 

[Sidhe]

By the last couple of post I see people need a history of religion lesson. I'm gonna go backwards. And Im using christianity because it is a majority held beife structure.

christianity<----jeudism (monothiestic)<----jeudism (polytheistic)<-----some other polthiestic set of gods<------worship of gods that were more naturlistic in nature like lightning and rain<-----to primitive to understand.

I find it incredably ignorant when religious folk claim that the first belivers knew god as if christianity some how just poped up oout of nowhere. In fact it is just an evolution of an older religion that is an evolution of an older religion that is an evolution of an older religion. "Pagan" religions are much older then monotheistic ones so surly they had belivers that belived their god was the true god. That can't all be right.

You can't get mad when someone calls christianity a myth. If you do then you can't call Greek, Roman, Egyption, Norse or any other out dated religion a myth. Just because your religion is the newest doesn't mean its the right one.

I think we just brought our posts into one, the religions were simply an evolution of forces that people saw and believed in and on it went. Religion was simply inevitable in modern terms, it's a part of human nature that we can't avoid, Is it real? Who knows... difficult to judge.

 

[skadistic]

Actually, yes, yes, I can. My religious faith is not a myth in any way shape or form. And for you to be so callous as to trod upon something so dear to your fellow man speaks volumes. This is something that is very, very important to a lot of people, and yet you dismiss it and trod upon it since it means nothing to you.

Anyway, Christ wasnt a myth....so I can get mad, and I do.

Again...no vote for you...even for dogcatcher.



Newest? I thought that title belonged to scientology. And I am not in the habit of telling anyone that their religion is a myth or anything else otherwise. I respect their belief and they are free to believe in what they will.

No vote for me. You are the most intolerant fanatic. You don't respect my beliefs if you did you wouldn't base your vote on my god or lack of god. And it does mean nothing to me. Your god doesn't exsist. Jesus wasn't anything more then a common man. Most of your religion is made up from other religions. You bible stories aren't original either. I don't hold your mythology in any higher regard then I do any other mythology nor do I have to. You demand a respect you don't give back Mobboss. You are a intolerant hypocrit.

 

[Atlas14]

Isn't specifying that you will not vote for an Atheist being intolerant? There are plenty of atheists that can run this country well and be tolerant of all religions.

 

[JollyRoger]

You see what I mean, I can feel the anger rushing through me and its not a nice feeling. If there were atheists in the mid east, I now know where the anti-infidel mentality originated from. Oh and I dont know where you got that bull from but Christians are responsible for almost everything you love in this nation or any western nation. The very constitution you believe in was fought for by a majority of Christians. And for you to say anything but thank you is very angering. A wise woman on Arab tv once said that "Christians are not people of the book, but people of many books."

If you are angry, you are being irrational. You got out of sorts because I gave aa logical conclusion on a debatable point. As for America, more was taken from the Greeks, Romans, and secular side of the Renaissance that from the Bible. The word God does not even appear in the Constitution. The people I see in this country today willing to rip our founding principles apart are those who claim to be evangelicals. Unless yiou are the same age as those liars in the Old testament claimed to be, you had nothing personal to do with founding this country - I have nothing to thank you for.

 

[JollyRoger]

I probably would write in a candidate.

Jesus H. Christ (D-Galilee). Right?

 

[skadistic]

Excuse me. Congress shall make no law???? There are no restraits or dogmas imposed by law in this country. People are FREE to believe how they will.

But only marriage is difined by christians and limited to their definition. Their realy is no point in trying to explain this to you. You don't see it because you don't want to or dont care.

 

[Trajan12]

If you are angry, you are being irrational. You got out of sorts because I gave aa logical conclusion on a debatable point. As for America, more was taken from the Greeks, Romans, and secular side of the Renaissance that from the Bible. The word God does not even appear in the Constitution. The people I see in this country today willing to rip our founding principles apart are those who claim to be evangelicals. Unless yiou are the same age as those liars in the Old testament claimed to be, you had nothing personal to do with founding this country - I have nothing to thank you for.

No thanks to me, to those "liars".Liars, myths, insane, intelectually inferior, ive heard about all I can hear right now.

 

[JollyRoger]

No thanks to me, to those "liars".

The ones that claimed to live to be 800 or 900 years old?

 

[Trajan12]

The ones that claimed to live to be 800 or 900 years old?

There is no further point in me saying something completely respectful of what you believe while on the contrary you mock what I believe.

 

[JollyRoger]

This attitude right here is why I would never, ever, as long as I live, vote for an athiest for anything. Not even dogcatcher. As far as I am concerned atheism = intolerance.

You want to know the funny reality? You probably vote for atheists in every election. They are the ones lying to you regarding their faith instead of the ones who engage you in debate, uh, I mean insults.

 

[JollyRoger]

There is no further point in me saying something completely respectful of what you believe while on the contrary you mock what I believe.

Do you believe the Bible when it claims all those people lived to that age?

 

[Trajan12]

Do you believe the Bible when it claims all those people lived to that age?

Yes I believe it, now what do you got? What are you gonna call me now? I think ive shown what I mean by the fact that while you ridicule my belief, I have said nothing offensive to atheists.

 

[MobBoss]

No vote for me. You are the most intolerant fanatic. You don't respect my beliefs if you did you wouldn't base your vote on my god or lack of god.

No...I wouldnt vote for you because you hate christians and make fun of their faith. Slight difference there. Standing up to your intolerance and voicing my opinion doesnt make me wrong. Neither does it make me a fanatic. It makes me unwilling to simply swallow your crap.

And it does mean nothing to me. Your god doesn't exsist. Jesus wasn't anything more then a common man. Most of your religion is made up from other religions. You bible stories aren't original either. I don't hold your mythology in any higher regard then I do any other mythology nor do I have to. You demand a respect you don't give back Mobboss. You are a intolerant hypocrit.

I do give respect to other beliefs, you know...the ones that dont insult me like you have here. To me, God most certainly IS, and Jesus most definitely wasnt a common man. If he were so common, I dont think his message would have lasted quit as long as it has.

 

[JollyRoger]

Yes I believe it, now what do you got? What are you gonna call me now? I think ive shown what I mean by the fact that while you ridicule my belief, I have said nothing offensive to atheists.

Ok, I respect your right to believe it. But do you see, objectively, how someone could view the Bible's reference to 800 or 900 year old men as mythical? After all, Thomas Jefferson did not believe that particular fact from the Bible.

 

[Neomega]

Youre not the only one. I myself consider myself religious as well as intelegent. I honestly find it insulting when an atheists tells me that I am intellectualy inferrior and that the faith that I hold so dearly is a myth. Its like litteraly a slap on the face.

It's easy to generalize based on hate broadcast from noisy individuals.

For a long time, I really thought all Christians were bible thumping maniacs.


But throught my life experience, I have begun to meet many who are quiet, and go through life unnoticed.

In only the past few years, I have met Christians who are quite loving, and kind, and respect my beliefs.


Indeed, on these boards, many years ago, I used to vehemently slash at "religionists"... it was really just a pissing contest. There is no real justification for belittling another's beliefs, unless they start to bring it in as some kind of logic for their argument. What happens after we die, is quite irrelevant in life here today.

Intent is nothing. Words are nothing. Actions are everything.

 

[skadistic]

No...I wouldnt vote for you because you hate christians and make fun of their faith. Slight difference there. Standing up to your intolerance and voicing my opinion doesnt make me wrong. Neither does it make me a fanatic. It makes me unwilling to simply swallow your crap.



I do give respect to other beliefs, you know...the ones that dont insult me like you have here. To me, God most certainly IS, and Jesus most definitely wasnt a common man. If he were so common, I dont think his message would have lasted quit as long as it has.

I don't hate christians. What crap am I trying to make you swallow? Confusious was a common man and his message has been around much much longer.

 

[MobBoss]

But only marriage is difined by christians and limited to their definition. Their realy is no point in trying to explain this to you. You don't see it because you don't want to or dont care.

No its not. We allow people who are not christian to vote dont we? All the people that you mentioned are free to be married according to their religion are they not? Of course they are. Your allegation is both baseless and just silly.

No..I dont see it, because your proof isnt there.

Bottom line, this thread has become a prime example of its title as we see the conduct here. They are doing exactly what the OP accuses them of doing. I dont have to prove a thing.

 

[Trajan12]

Ok, I respect your right to believe it. But do you see, objectively, how someone could view the Bible's reference to 800 or 900 year old men as mythical? After all, Thomas Jefferson did not believe that particular fact from the Bible.

I see how someone could not believe it. And thank you for that statement, thats all I wanted to hear.

 

[Perfectionist]

To me, God most certainly IS, and Jesus most definitely wasnt a common man. If he were so common, I dont think his message would have lasted quit as long as it has.

What about Confucius, Zoroaster, Lao Tzu and Siddhartha Gautama. Their messages have lasted longer than Jesus'. Do you consider them to be divine?