Atheists and attacking/vehemently questioning others' faith

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Atlas14 said:
I've seen numerous Atheists that are like this. They jump on the Atheist bandwagon because they want to be viewed as intellectually superior.
As I have seen numerous religious types jump on the religion bandwagon because they want to be viewed as morally superior.
 
Then who told the first believer about God?

Voices in someones head.
 
JollyRoger said:
As I have seen numerous religious types jump on the religion bandwagon because they want to be viewed as morally superior.

Indeed true as well.
 
Eran of Arcadia said:
See, trajan, I disagree with you greatly. Faith in God is something that we have to arrive at. Although we have an instinct to seek it, we are not born with it.

And I have seen a lot of atheists who bring up the fact they don't believe in God just as a way to show that they feel superior to the ignorant masses. Not all, of course, but many. "I am better than you because I don't believe in an invisible sky pixie that isn't real and does magic."
I didnt say we are born with it, but we know in our hearts it is there. Some have never known enough to pursue this instinct. Its like Pual in Acts Ch 17. He said that he knew the reason they had a temple to an unknown god because they knew the real God was there and none of theirs could fully explain.
 
CivGeneral said:
No one told me about God when I was an agnostic but yet I believed in him when I rediscovered him myself. Just as Jesus said to St. Thomas (Who doubted his wonds and resurection) "Bless are you who see and believe. But blessed are thoes who dont see and believe".

I'd be happy to be in the first category :(

Eran: I AM better than someone who believes in a magic sky fairie! :)
 
colontos said:
Then who told the first believer about God?

None. It ws a social concept.

See, I feel that natural believe in god is just like the natural believe that the earth is flat. Presented with a complex issue, an early society provided an answer that went well with their poor philosophy and knowledge, and extrapolated the limited dynamics of their senses.

Earth was flat, because they could "see" that there was no curve in the soil;

Universe was "made" by an greater antrophomorphic figure, because the notion of "event" was unknown, and they had experience that they had to "make' (hunt, fish, collect, exercize in some way both their power and volition) the things they wanted.

The great irony in theocentrism is that it was born humanity's unrefined anthropocentrism, the children of an extrapolation with thin bases that the universe's origin could be categorized and understood in parallel to the reality of the tribe's life.

Anyway, how this should have evolved in the many versions f God, known by the several tribes of Earth, is pretty evident on it's own.

Regards :).
 
The first believers knew about God because they had seen him and lived with Him. The New Testament Disciples knew about Jesus because they had traveled with Him and seen his power. Its impossible to explain to you because like the Psalm goes you have already decided that God is a myth(Im not saying you are fools), and that you will mock him and those who follow him, but go ahead because anti-Christians in those days did more than harmless mocking and they could not stop the spread of Christianity.
 
Trajan12 said:
The first believers knew about God because they had seen him and lived with Him. The New Testament Disciples knew about Jesus because they had traveled with Him and seen his power.

That's what they wrote. That you chose to believe in that factually is what makes us differents, you a believer, me, not one.

Regards :).
 
Trajan12 said:
This is what I mean by an insult

Well, what did you want to hear?

The first person was he who attributed the growth of his crops to a god? Peoples emotions and mind can tell them very profound things. All it takes is one person with voices in their head to attribute a shocking natural occurrence to God and there you go, people start believing in God. Normal people must be told it was due to God, and that God exists, because they have not a hint in the world as to anything that would remotely point towards the existance of such a divine being.
 
Trajan12 said:
The first believers knew about God because they had seen him and lived with Him. The New Testament Disciples knew about Jesus because they had traveled with Him and seen his power.
Maybe the first believers saw and lived with a guy claiming to be God. Jesus existed. Doesn't mean the stories about him were true. If he had lived in Salem, Massachusetts in 1692 and such stories were circulated about him, he would have been suspected as a witch.
 
JollyRoger said:
The guy who made up the myth.

This attitude right here is why I would never, ever, as long as I live, vote for an athiest for anything. Not even dogcatcher. As far as I am concerned atheism = intolerance.
 
Trajan12 said:
The first believers knew about God because they had seen him and lived with Him. The New Testament Disciples knew about Jesus because they had traveled with Him and seen his power. Its impossible to explain to you because like the Psalm goes you have already decided that God is a myth(Im not saying you are fools), and that you will mock him and those who follow him, but go ahead because anti-Christians in those days did more than harmless mocking and they could not stop the spread of Christianity.

I don't mock him, I question his existance, and those who supposedly follow him. I don't follow people/beings that have given me zero proof of their existance, its simply not logical to do so. I could spend years and years creating a list of made-up beings I want to worship. Until I have proof they exist, worshipping them is quite pointless.
 
MobBoss said:
This attitude right here is why I would never, ever, as long as I live, vote for an athiest for anything. Not even dogcatcher. As far as I am concerned atheism = intolerance.
Somehow thats my general feeling as well MobBoss. However the reverse can be said from the atheist's POV that religion = intolerance.
 
JollyRoger said:
Maybe the first believers saw and lived with a guy claiming to be God. Jesus existed. Doesn't mean the stories about him were true. If he had lived in Salem, Massachusetts in 1692 and such stories were circulated about him, he would have been suspected as a witch.
I dont think that a regular person could have done those things.

Dont you think Jesus was persecuted? But the fact remains that there was no one who could lay a hand on him until the day he had completed the phrophecy, and fulfiled the covenant. I see no point in arguing the veracity of the existence of God.

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The first believers knew about God because they had seen him and lived with Him. The New Testament Disciples knew about Jesus because they had traveled with Him and seen his power. Its impossible to explain to you because like the Psalm goes you have already decided that God is a myth(Im not saying you are fools), and that you will mock him and those who follow him, but go ahead because anti-Christians in those days did more than harmless mocking and they could not stop the spread of Christianity.
I could do it fundy style and say there is no Diety but God and all infidels are doomed to the lake of eternal hellfire and brimstone.:D But I dont want to argue religion, because its so important to me and the minute I interpret something as insulting I will get really pissed so the responsible thing would be for me to say that you will never believe, nor will I stop believing, thats IT.
 
If someone thinks hard enough about religion and God, and then declares themself Atheist instead of just remaining Agnostic; I would have to agree that there is something to be concerned about.
 
MobBoss said:
This attitude right here is why I would never, ever, as long as I live, vote for an athiest for anything. Not even dogcatcher. As far as I am concerned atheism = intolerance.
If I'm not a believer, is it not unreasonable for me to conclude that somebody created the creation myth? Just by stating the logical extension of my non-belief makes me unfit to be a dogcathcer? This is why religious folks get a bad name for inferior intellect. Perceiving a logical (and debatable) conclusion as an insult.
 
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