Athiest's Lawsuit Fails...

[MobBoss]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,199211,00.html

Two comments on this.

How has having "In God We Trust" on our money harmed anyone in all the years it has been done?

Secondly, isnt this a case where the plaintiff's relgious views are trying to be forced onto all the rest of us in the USA?

Discuss.

 

[WillJ]

The plaintiff is quite obviously crazy, as suing over this is making a mountain out of a molehill, and:

Secondly, isnt this a case where the plaintiff's relgious views are trying to be forced onto all the rest of us in the USA?

...so is this. An absence of religious statements on coinage = forcing atheism on people?

 

[skadistic]

It harms me mentaly to know that because I don't trust in god I'm not part of the "we".

No it is not a man forcing his views on others but instead he is atempting to get out from under the blantant christian stranglehold on America.

 

[MobBoss]

Removing a religious statement from coinage = forcing atheism on people?

When we start questioning Supreme Court Nominees more over their religious affiliations than their professional qualilfications, then yeah, the old "separation of church and state" argument becomes forced athiesm.

 

[WillJ]

When we start questioning Supreme Court Nominees more over their religious affiliations than their professional qualilfications, then yeah, the old "separation of church and state" argument becomes forced athiesm.

If someone is barred from being on the SCOTUS out of being Christian, then yes, that's forcing atheism on people. Now am I missing something, or does that have nothing to do with this story?

 

[IglooDame]

It has caused me great anguish and bouts of depression.

And aren't we all supposed to give to Caesar that which is Caesar's and to God that which is God's? Doesn't putting that on the money kind of muddy things up? The money's worth is dependent on folks' trust in the solvency of the federal government, not on their trust in God.

 

[MobBoss]

It harms me mentaly to know that because I don't trust in god I'm not part of the "we".

Not good enough. How are you harmed? Do you cry yourself to sleep at night over it?

No it is not a man forcing his views on others but instead he is atempting to get out from under the blantant christian stranglehold on America.

Well, America wasnt founded by athiests sorry to say, thus it is not unreasonable for such things as "In God We Trust" to be on our coinage. Putting that statement on our money hardly equates to a "christian stranglehold" on America.

 

[MobBoss]

It has caused me great anguish and bouts of depression.

Somehow, I just cant bring myself to believe you.

And aren't we all supposed to give to Caesar that which is Caesar's and to God that which is God's? Doesn't putting that on the money kind of muddy things up? The money's worth is dependent on folks' trust in the solvency of the federal government, not on their trust in God.

This isnt Rome and we set our own rules how we deem fit. And I fail to see how such a statement is in any way indicative of the monies worth.

 

[WillJ]

Well, America wasnt founded by athiests sorry to say, thus it is not unreasonable for such things as "In God We Trust" to be on our coinage. Putting that statement on our money hardly equates to a "christian stranglehold" on America.

And obviously we MUST have such statements on our currency, lest we falter under an ATHEIST STRANGEHOLD on America.

First, it's removing religious statements from coinage, next it's killing baptized children! LOOK OUT!

I'm sorry, MobBoss; I fully agree with you that this message on our coins doesn't harm anyone, but I also don't see why you really care too much if they're removed---that doesn't harm anyone either. If having religious messages on coins doesn't force religion on people, then obviously having no religious messages doesn't foce atheism on anyone.

 

[C~G]

How has having "In God We Trust" on our money harmed anyone in all the years it has been done?

Personally I don't understand it either.
It doesn't mean a thing or could mean anything.
Example some might see that "God" refers in this case to the dead presidents themselves.

I find it to be a historical reference rather than religious view.
It's part of the mythology of country like Statue of Liberty.

Secondly, isnt this a case where the plaintiff's relgious views are trying to be forced onto all the rest of us in the USA?

This isnt Rome and we set our own rules how we deem fit.

Well, you can turn the table and say why religious people are try to force all nation to use money that refers to "God"?
Let the people decide so in the end it's supreme courts decision really that matters. That's democracy even how funny it may sound.

I'm sorry, MobBoss; I fully agree with you that this message on our coins doesn't harm anyone, but I also don't see why you really care too much if they're removed---that doesn't harm anyone either.

Exactly.

However the oath case is a whole lot of different issue.
Neutralizing certain aspects of society is important.

 

[Sidhe]

I genuinely don't get this? I really have no idea what point he's trying to make other than that somehow this is offensive to God fearless atheists everywhere? It often sounds lame when a religous group say this is an offense to God, because plainly they have no idea what God thinks and it's blasphemy to even try and determine his will in some pretty petty arguments, for some reason this argument seems even more lame, putting it into a UK context it would be like a Scotsman claiming that the national anthem "God save the Queen" was an offense to atheists or God Save the Queen by the Sex Pistols was an offense to Christians? Erm huh?

Your majesty we have changed the anthem in the name of PC to "whatever your own personal preference religous wise is or not save or don't save the queen, who may well not be under the eye of no one overarching diety or many" now it's not as snappy and it doesn't scan but hell that's PC for you.

 

[MobBoss]

And obviously we MUST have such statements on our currency, lest we falter under an ATHEIST STRANGEHOLD on America.

First, it's removing religious statements from coinage, next it's killing baptized children! LOOK OUT!

I'm sorry, MobBoss; I fully agree with you that this message on our coins doesn't harm anyone, but I also don't see why you really care too much if they're removed---that doesn't harm anyone either.

In that case, why not just let the status quo continue on then? No harm, no foul. Most likely that will be the end result in any case, as it would be pretty hard to convince SCOTUS that you were actually harmed by this in any way. Most likely they would just refuse to hear it and leave it at that.

 

[WillJ]

@C~G: Before anyone starts to think MobBoss is schizophrenic and talks to himself, I think you should attribute that last quote to me, not him.

 

[WillJ]

In that case, why not just let the status quo continue on then? No harm, no foul. Most likely that will be the end result in any case, as it would be pretty hard to convince SCOTUS that you were actually harmed by this in any way. Most likely they would just refuse to hear it and leave it at that.

Correct-a-mundo. Doing anything is really just a waste of tax payers' money and judges' time.

 

[nonconformist]

I think a much better thing to have on US money would be "In Gods we trust", as there is the real danger of insulting polytheists, by all of us monotheists forcing our one God upon them, as well as the Bible never explicitly saying that there is only one God.

 

[warpus]

One question: Would Christians in the U.S. be outraged if it said "In Allah we trust" instead?

 

[C~G]

@C~G: Before anyone starts to think MobBoss is schizophrenic and talks to himself, I think you should attribute that last quote to me, not him.

Thank God there's the edit button!

 

[The Last Conformist]

Having "In God We Trust" on the money is plain silly.

What really gets me, however, is the nigh-consistent misspelling of "atheist" and "atheism" from certain quarters. Methinks it's time to make it a bannable offense.

 

[nonconformist]

Having "In God We Trust" on the money is plain silly.

Think yourself lucky you never were foreced to pray at school.
At least our prayer had references to guns in, which allowed me a bit of happiness every day, as I imagined the introduction of guns to religion.

 

[MobBoss]

One question: Would Christians in the U.S. be outraged if it said "In Allah we trust" instead?

If the nation has been founded by Muslilms....probably not.