I don't mind hussars being the Austrian UU. In reality though, hussar regiments were recruited in every major and many minor powers in Europe. However, if Maria Thereasa began all of this, by asking the Hungarian nobles for help against her enemies, then to have the hussar be the Austrian UU, that is fine by me.
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I don't mind hussars being the Austrian UU. In reality though, hussar regiments were recruited in every major and many minor powers in Europe. However, if Maria Thereasa began all of this, by asking the Hungarian nobles for help against her enemies, then to have the hussar be the Austrian UU, that is fine by me.
Raiki
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@Mitsho and Eagle Pursuit: I wasn't saying that Austria wouldn't be able to screw over Alex and Rammy even *harder*, I just said that I, personally, am looking forward to using the UA against Genghis.
I still think this is a valid (and very useful) tactic for one reason. You know those times when an AI declares war on the person you're conquering very late in the fight? And then swoops in and steals the city you've been bombarding for 3 turns with their 2-era-behind melee unit?
Yeah...now imagine that they can do this from the other side of the map without having to declare war first.
@Everyone Still Discussing Hungary:
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I still think this is a valid (and very useful) tactic for one reason. You know those times when an AI declares war on the person you're conquering very late in the fight? And then swoops in and steals the city you've been bombarding for 3 turns with their 2-era-behind melee unit?
Yeah...now imagine that they can do this from the other side of the map without having to declare war first.
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I'm sort of underwelmed by the Hussars, and not just for the Hungary reasons. They were a successful type of calvary, but so much so that they were copied by all the rest of Europe. The ubiquity does not lend itself to uniqueness for Austria. Because their tactics bacame the standard, I'm not sure what they can do to set themselves apart. I hope I'm impressed. Maybe they give bonus influence when gifted to city-states.
Raiki
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That...would be one of the stranger UUs I've ever seen. It does nothing for you, but if you give it away it's worth more than anyone else's. It's like a broken antique clock, or something. Won't tell the time, but you can pawn it for fifty bucks. Honestly, I hope it's something a bit more useful than that, I don't want Austria to be even more of a 1-trick-CS-pony than Alex/Genghis/Rammy.
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I think it plays historically and syncs with the Austrian UA. One of the reasons that Hussars became ubiquitous is because the original Hussars left their homelands and settled in other countries, bringing the Hussar concept with them. Having better influence when given to city-states mimics that and helps Austria absorb city-states because they have to be allies for the city-state to marry into the empire.
It's just an idea. I'd be happy with anything innovative. I just hope it isn't a few bonus movement points or strength. While powerful, it isn't in the rule of cool.
It's just an idea. I'd be happy with anything innovative. I just hope it isn't a few bonus movement points or strength. While powerful, it isn't in the rule of cool.
AbsintheRed
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@Everyone Still Discussing Hungary:
It's not offtopic, not at all
Unfortunately Firaxis choose to give the Hussars as an UU to Austria
This makes this thread about Hungary as well
Raiki
Warlord
No. It doesn't. It makes: THIS THREAD: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=461727 about Hungary as well. Please take your Hungary whining over there, so we can discuss AUSTRIA, THE CIV THAT IS IN THE GAME in this thread.
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Regarding the Coffeehouse, maybe it's a building that has gives Culture in addition to other benefits, but makes the city more susceptible to Spies (like the Burial Tomb for Egypt).
Raiki
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I actually really hope that the Coffee House gives you some sort of bonus to espionage. With the tangential benefits of using spies as Austria, it seems counter-productive to have to keep all your spies at home to protect against the detrimental effects of your own UB. 
AbsintheRed
Deity
So you say we cannot have a discussion about the Austrian UU in the Austria thread?
If Hussars come up, then there is a good chance Hungary will come up as well. Deal with it
Btw, there is only one person whining in this thread, and it's you
AbsintheRed
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My main point about Hussars:
Napoelonic era Hussars - which the unit will probably represent for Austria - are not unique at all
They were pretty much spread out and developed in all the European countries by the late 18th century
Hussar as an UU could only work well for Hungary
An interesting discussion about Hussars in the other thread:
Napoelonic era Hussars - which the unit will probably represent for Austria - are not unique at all
They were pretty much spread out and developed in all the European countries by the late 18th century
Hussar as an UU could only work well for Hungary
An interesting discussion about Hussars in the other thread:
Louis XXIV
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Because the Habsburg Empire was impressive, the contributions of Austria separate from Germany (which has a more Prussian tradition) and included Mozart, Haydn, and Beethoven, they have a female leader (always good for diversity purposes, although I would argue not essential), and they were important for the scenario, which includes the 30 Years War.
To be honest, I suspect, absent the scenario, the only European civ of the era included would be the Dutch.
ETA: Technically speaking, Longbowmen, Ships of the Line, Battering Rams, Horse Archers, Slingers, and Bowmen aren't unique either. The Hussar will be in good company.
Dragonflow
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So you say we cannot have a discussion about the Austrian UU in the Austria thread?
If Hussars come up, then there is a good chance Hungary will come up as well. Deal with it
Btw, there is only one person whining in this thread, and it's you
It is a bit off-topic to start a discussion that a civs UU should belong to another civ. So Hungary invented the Hussars, so what? Longbows and Ships of the Line aren't English inventions, Tanks aren't a German invention, Cossacks were Ukrainians and not Russians, Ski Infantry were Norwegians and not Danes and the list goes on. There are plenty of UU that weren't purely used by one civ in history, it's more about the fact that those units were made famous by that civ and like it or not but it were Hussars in Austrian service that motivated other countries to copy them. Hussars are just as suitable a UU for Austria as Cossacks are for Russia and Hakkepelita for Sweden.
If you wanted to stay on-topic you could suggest what unit the Hussar will replace or what makes them special.
Personally, I think the Hussars will have the ability to move after attacking. This would make them a fast hit and run unit, perfectly suited for harassing and chasing down enemy units.
elprofesor
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Regular cavalry already have the ability to move after attacking.
Dragonflow
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Really?
Must've confused it with the ability to attack several times during one turn. I guess I should use them more often and not confuse their abilities with tanks.
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I don't think so. That would be a bit overpowered.
Raiki
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Ummm...no? That would be really really strange. That's a having your cake and eating it too kind of situation, and I don't anticipate that the devs will go down that path.
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