AVS3: Nuclear Winter
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Preturn: embassy with France, india (backwards), and China ATM.
IBT: Taejon market-aqueduct
Kaesong lib-temple
French and Babs start Sufferage
960: Will wait a couple turns to rush things. Workers build RRs.
IBT: Babylon and France sign MPP
Pyongsong bank-factory
970: Rush hospital in Seoul for 448.
Change research to Corp, since England has electricity (no research done to electricity, sat at 0.)
Sci to 90, Corp in 7 at -403 gpt
IBT: China and India sign peace
india wants MPP. I say no .
Seoul hospital-factory
980: Not much
IBT: Culture exapands. China starts Sufferage
990: England has Corp now too .
IBT: Perisans start the Sufferage
1000: Same
1010: Blah
IBT: China and Babylon sign MPP
See Babylonian infantry
1020: Workers continue to improve land
1030: Continue to adjust the sci slider
IBT: Finally learn The Corp-Refinig to sit on at 0
pyongyang hospital-factory
Pusan factory-bank
1040: All that research into The Corp only gets us a deal with the Chinese
Corp for silks, 1 gold and WM
I misjudged the AI tech pace here, sorry
Upgrade all muskets in rifles
Pyonyang, our border town, is prtected by 1 warrior. I double the garrison and send another warrior
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IBT: Cheju hospital-factory
1050: Not much
We are not in the greatest of cirsumstances any more.....
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IBT: Taejon market-aqueduct
Kaesong lib-temple
French and Babs start Sufferage
960: Will wait a couple turns to rush things. Workers build RRs.
IBT: Babylon and France sign MPP
Pyongsong bank-factory
970: Rush hospital in Seoul for 448.
Change research to Corp, since England has electricity (no research done to electricity, sat at 0.)
Sci to 90, Corp in 7 at -403 gpt
IBT: China and India sign peace
india wants MPP. I say no .
Seoul hospital-factory
980: Not much
IBT: Culture exapands. China starts Sufferage
990: England has Corp now too .
IBT: Perisans start the Sufferage
1000: Same
1010: Blah
IBT: China and Babylon sign MPP
See Babylonian infantry
1020: Workers continue to improve land
1030: Continue to adjust the sci slider
IBT: Finally learn The Corp-Refinig to sit on at 0
pyongyang hospital-factory
Pusan factory-bank
1040: All that research into The Corp only gets us a deal with the Chinese
Corp for silks, 1 gold and WM
I misjudged the AI tech pace here, sorry
Upgrade all muskets in rifles
Pyonyang, our border town, is prtected by 1 warrior. I double the garrison and send another warrior
.IBT: Cheju hospital-factory
1050: Not much
We are not in the greatest of cirsumstances any more.....
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andvruss said:
Yeah, both england and babylon is doing 4 turn research, france and persia a bit slower (6-7 turns I think). Atm researching is a waste (only reason I researched magnetism is you need to research the tech to get you to new age to get the big picture popup)
Much cheaper to buy, and even cheaper to steal techs (but dont steal from the ones on home contient.. risky enough to have china or persia ally them vs us on a failed steal)
steviejay
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andvruss said:Pyonyang, our border town, is prtected by 1 warrior. I double the garrison and send another warrior
yeah, I think that was my bad. I moved alot of troops to the English border because I considered them the biggest threat, sorry
I think we need alot of cannons (I know Koreans don't get cannons but instead get their UU but I can't recall the name of it at the moment) with all the cities railroaded we can have a large stack of them and they can move to where ever needed. Might improve our chance of survival till we can get radioactive on our enemies
The turns were fairly boring, nothing happened and we were too poor to buy techs.
I RRed a lot.
Sorry for the extra turn, I pressed enter in mistake before saving.
I thikn we should go to stealing techs. We have the money for one, almost two careful steals now, and with our gpt we should be able to steal a tech every 5 turns at minimum.
Our coal deal ran out in the last IBT, it needs to be refreshed.
EDIT: England demanded 100 gold and territory map once. I caved in.
I RRed a lot.
Sorry for the extra turn, I pressed enter in mistake before saving.
I thikn we should go to stealing techs. We have the money for one, almost two careful steals now, and with our gpt we should be able to steal a tech every 5 turns at minimum.
Our coal deal ran out in the last IBT, it needs to be refreshed.
EDIT: England demanded 100 gold and territory map once. I caved in.
steviejay
Now in Black and White!!
can't look at the save now, I'll do it when I get home. How is the diplomatic situation?? Anyone straining at the leash or anything like that? A few AI wars against each other would be very nice. I'm still holding out for a Bab/French war which would allow us to settle in the spaces created lol
Had a look at the save.
We have lots of cash, and making 630gpt I think, so that is good..
Babylon seems to have switched to fascism... their research should go way down from when they were democracy.
A careful or safe steal of refining from england should allow us a 3-fer for steel and espionage (or possibly electrisity too.. but getting spys would give us better chance for steals, so should get that first - regular spy has 85% chance of not getting caught on a safe steal vs 65% when using embassy)
Babylon has MPP with france and china, england shuns fascism.. hopefully babylon will do something to tick england off, and we will have a world war in the working...
We have lots of cash, and making 630gpt I think, so that is good..
Babylon seems to have switched to fascism... their research should go way down from when they were democracy.
A careful or safe steal of refining from england should allow us a 3-fer for steel and espionage (or possibly electrisity too.. but getting spys would give us better chance for steals, so should get that first - regular spy has 85% chance of not getting caught on a safe steal vs 65% when using embassy)
Babylon has MPP with france and china, england shuns fascism.. hopefully babylon will do something to tick england off, and we will have a world war in the working...
Ankka said:
Still better than using embassies to steal techs.. most civs seem to be polite thou, so might be able to have a failed spy plant without them declaring war.
Also, if we get into a war with one of our neighbours we prolly want to make sure we dont kill any of their units inside their territory unless we want to trigger MPPs.
Once the workers complete all the rails it might be an idea to build forts and barricades along our entire border. Barricades will stop enemy movement; so there would be no way they could attack one of our cities directly before we could reinforce it, since they would be stopped on the first tile no matter what.
Even better leave one hole in the fortress wall towards each civ's border, that way if we place a unit in each fort/barricade .. we would be almost certain they would send the units though the hole instead of attacking units.
Place the holes so the first 3 tiles they can will be in open terrain, and so they cant attack a city in atleast the first 2 moves (a few infantery should hold metropolises across rivers vs cavs, and AI dont have modern armor yet).
I used a similar strat in a DG world map game where I was doing only peaceful buildup as china on a world map untill mid industrial ages. Built a wall of fort/barricades around the entire china while I was waiting for rails.
Wall was built so had to do 4 moves in my territory to attack the closest city.
Eventually placed a fortified conscript rifle in every fort, declared war on my neighbour russia who was the most powerful nation. During the next few turns russia sent most of their army from their railroaded empire thou the hold in the wall. During the next few times I kept bombarding the stacks, making the hurt units retreat, attacking cossacks whevever they where exposed and I had no more artillery left to use. When I had n more cavs to attack with I let them attack fortified cities, most died or retreated.
After about 4-5 turns there was just a trickle of newly built units and healed units comming though the hole. I think the spy showed russia to have around 200 cossacks and I have no idea how many infantery and knights they sent during the attack (they had not reached tanks yet). After it they had no fast units left, while I had lost 5-6 units total. I did have around 75 artillery thou.
Who is up btw? Detlef Richter?
steviejay
Now in Black and White!!
Ankka said:
we're always at risk. we have powerful neighbours, best to try to level the playing field. But....... lets not try to get a spy in London just yet
Has been over 4 days since last save now..
steviejay
Now in Black and White!!
Have a look at the save to begin with. Kick ass, weve got like rifles and railroads and stuff. Party! To make it better our army is still stronger than the Aztecs. Rock on.
Ok, from reading up Im assuming we want spies and stuff? And then we want to build the Great Wall of Korea round the empire??
Any particular trades needing to be done in my turns? with all the gpt we're pulling in there must be something we can do with it.
Consider this my "got it"
Ok, from reading up Im assuming we want spies and stuff? And then we want to build the Great Wall of Korea round the empire??
Any particular trades needing to be done in my turns? with all the gpt we're pulling in there must be something we can do with it.
Consider this my "got it"
I would risk a careful steal of refining from england (doubt they declare even if we get caught.. thou good luck on the war if they do )
Refining should get us espionage from china, and steel and electrisity from france and persia. May have to throw in some gold in the deals thou.
If we get espionage, build intellengence agency before trying any more steals.
)Refining should get us espionage from china, and steel and electrisity from france and persia. May have to throw in some gold in the deals thou.
If we get espionage, build intellengence agency before trying any more steals.
steviejay
Now in Black and White!!
1160AD(1)
Ok, first off. Careful steal against England, 2856gold or roughly 4 and a half turns worth of gold. Worth it. My heart skipped a beat when I clicked on ok because my computer froze for a second, I thought I was gonna get attacked but it seems it was just C3:C and SETI@Home fighting for my RAM.
Get Refining and set to Steel. I expect to steal Steel (tongue twister) but I needed to pick something. Science is at 0 anyway. (subnote- we don’t have oil)
Trade Refining to China for Horses, Coal, WM and Espionage, to France for Eletricity, WM and 10g and I get Steel off Persia for Refining, WM and 550gold. China doesn’t have Steel but won’t give me much for it, only SM which would be pointless as everyone is building ToE and we’d never get it.
Build some railroad and end the turn
IBT- Spain wants to trade WM straight up. This usually means its worth something so I milk 80gold out of them as well.
Get the Intelligence Agency message.
1170AD(2)
China still won’t give us anything bar SM and their WM for Steel the tight gits.
Seoul seems to be a 1 turn Hwach’a factory which is groovy by me. We’ll need a lot of them if the English invade and lets face it, that’s become a lot more likely now we’re nicking stuff of them.
More rail roading.
1492gold, +620gpt. Try a steal next turn.
IBT- Not much, a Bab fleet (1 attacker, 1 galley) moves into French waters but that’s about it
1180AD(3)
Pusan Hospital > Cavalry
Hyangsan > Stock Exchange
Do a quick steal on England and SUCCESS Am I pushing my luck here??
Yeah, I think I do.
I am really confused as to how this works. To trade RP the only people who'll give me something worth having for it are the Persians, the Chinese will only give me their WM for it and get insulted if I asked for SM yet they're more than happy to give me it for Steel
Set science to Combustion.
(subnote- We have a source of rubber
)
More rail roading. I don’t plan on doing any more steals for the remainder of my turns. I’ve pushed my luck enough here and I’ll concentrate on building up the military.
Wait a minute??? Why is Radio there?? I thought we were running 1.22?? wasn’t that removed in the latest patch??
IBT- Nout.
1190AD(4)
Namp’o Factory > Infantry.
Cheju Factory > Infantry
Upgrade 9 Rifles to Infantry for 270gold
IBT- France and Russia sign a MPP.
America wants to trade WM. I get all their gold (3) as well.
1200AD(5)
Seoul Artillery. It asks me if I want to build a Hwach’a next…… is that even possible??? Set build to cavalry.
Wonsan Factory > Coal Plant.
P’yongyang Stock Exchange > Infantry.
Pyongsong Factory > Infantry.
Kaesong Temple > Aqueduct.
Upgrade 3 Pikes to Infantry for 500 odd gold, upgrade 3 Muskets to Inf for 270gold and upgrade a Knight to Cavalry.
We need 3000 odd gold to upgrade our warriors to Guerillas
Might wait for a bit
Clean up some pollution.
IBT- Nineveh completes ToE.
1210(6)
Pusan Cavalry > Infantry
Something completes in Ulsan but I forgot so I build a barracks.
Paegam Bank > Infantry
Upgrade 2 Muskets for 180gold. Upgrade a pike as well.
IBT- Japan and India sign a peace treaty. Didn’t realise they were at war.
1220AD(7)
Didn’t do much, rearranged the forces so there’s an even spread on the English border. More rail roading.
1230AD(8)
Ulsan Barracks > Stock
IBT- Aztecs want WM. Get 3 gold out of it.
Persia declares war on the Chinese. That should be interesting, both are pretty big.
1240AD(9)
zzzzzzzzz
IBT- Nothing much. Our silk deal with China ends.
1250AD(10)
Do nothing bar moving troops about and building rail roads.
All in all quite uneventful. Apart from the butt clenching moments at the start as I was stealing techs I didn't look to be in much danger. Everyone seems to be sleeping or something apart from the Chinese/Persian war. We should be able to do an easy steal next turn which I suggest the next player does, Combustion would allow us to trade with France and a few other nations for things like Communism, SM etc. Good luck!!
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Ok, first off. Careful steal against England, 2856gold or roughly 4 and a half turns worth of gold. Worth it. My heart skipped a beat when I clicked on ok because my computer froze for a second, I thought I was gonna get attacked but it seems it was just C3:C and SETI@Home fighting for my RAM.
Get Refining and set to Steel. I expect to steal Steel (tongue twister) but I needed to pick something. Science is at 0 anyway. (subnote- we don’t have oil)
Trade Refining to China for Horses, Coal, WM and Espionage, to France for Eletricity, WM and 10g and I get Steel off Persia for Refining, WM and 550gold. China doesn’t have Steel but won’t give me much for it, only SM which would be pointless as everyone is building ToE and we’d never get it.
Build some railroad and end the turn
IBT- Spain wants to trade WM straight up. This usually means its worth something so I milk 80gold out of them as well.
Get the Intelligence Agency message.
1170AD(2)
China still won’t give us anything bar SM and their WM for Steel the tight gits.
Seoul seems to be a 1 turn Hwach’a factory which is groovy by me. We’ll need a lot of them if the English invade and lets face it, that’s become a lot more likely now we’re nicking stuff of them.
More rail roading.
1492gold, +620gpt. Try a steal next turn.
IBT- Not much, a Bab fleet (1 attacker, 1 galley) moves into French waters but that’s about it
1180AD(3)
Pusan Hospital > Cavalry
Hyangsan > Stock Exchange
Do a quick steal on England and SUCCESS Am I pushing my luck here??
Yeah, I think I do.
I am really confused as to how this works. To trade RP the only people who'll give me something worth having for it are the Persians, the Chinese will only give me their WM for it and get insulted if I asked for SM yet they're more than happy to give me it for Steel
Set science to Combustion.
(subnote- We have a source of rubber
)More rail roading. I don’t plan on doing any more steals for the remainder of my turns. I’ve pushed my luck enough here and I’ll concentrate on building up the military.
Wait a minute??? Why is Radio there?? I thought we were running 1.22?? wasn’t that removed in the latest patch??
IBT- Nout.
1190AD(4)
Namp’o Factory > Infantry.
Cheju Factory > Infantry
Upgrade 9 Rifles to Infantry for 270gold
IBT- France and Russia sign a MPP.
America wants to trade WM. I get all their gold (3) as well.
1200AD(5)
Seoul Artillery. It asks me if I want to build a Hwach’a next…… is that even possible??? Set build to cavalry.
Wonsan Factory > Coal Plant.
P’yongyang Stock Exchange > Infantry.
Pyongsong Factory > Infantry.
Kaesong Temple > Aqueduct.
Upgrade 3 Pikes to Infantry for 500 odd gold, upgrade 3 Muskets to Inf for 270gold and upgrade a Knight to Cavalry.
We need 3000 odd gold to upgrade our warriors to Guerillas
Might wait for a bitClean up some pollution.
IBT- Nineveh completes ToE.
1210(6)
Pusan Cavalry > Infantry
Something completes in Ulsan but I forgot so I build a barracks.
Paegam Bank > Infantry
Upgrade 2 Muskets for 180gold. Upgrade a pike as well.
IBT- Japan and India sign a peace treaty. Didn’t realise they were at war.
1220AD(7)
Didn’t do much, rearranged the forces so there’s an even spread on the English border. More rail roading.
1230AD(8)
Ulsan Barracks > Stock
IBT- Aztecs want WM. Get 3 gold out of it.
Persia declares war on the Chinese. That should be interesting, both are pretty big.
1240AD(9)
zzzzzzzzz
IBT- Nothing much. Our silk deal with China ends.
1250AD(10)
Do nothing bar moving troops about and building rail roads.
All in all quite uneventful. Apart from the butt clenching moments at the start as I was stealing techs I didn't look to be in much danger. Everyone seems to be sleeping or something apart from the Chinese/Persian war. We should be able to do an easy steal next turn which I suggest the next player does, Combustion would allow us to trade with France and a few other nations for things like Communism, SM etc. Good luck!!
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careful steal is usually the best success chance per gold, but getting replacable parts is great
This probably means the chinese are currently researching replacable parts and is close to finish researching it, so it is much cheaper for them to just finish researching than doing the trade.
I am guessing andvruss edited the wrong .biq file when we modded ICBMs and tactical nukes?
Untill you have had your golden age, you can always build your UU even if you have the upgrades available.
China and persia at war sounds good.. specially if babylon still has a MPP with babylon... hopefully the war will trigger the MPP, and persia ally england vs babylon, and then england trigger babylon's MPP with france and china..
Got it
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Wont be able to play till later tonight, so feel free to give advice or discuss before I start playing
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