[R&F] Based on the new features - which civilizations and leaders should be introduced in R&F?

[oski90]

Need a civ or 2 that play with govt district, and also think a theater or commercial replacement makes sense. Doubt we will see a diplo/world congress civ until next expansion. Given these guesses and the current geographic holes I would guess -
1. Byzantium (govt district or theater replacement/dark age mechanic
2. Mali ($$$)
3. Shawnee (govt/alliances)
4. Inca (who knows but gotta have em)
5. Maya (see above)

(If they only go with one of Inca/Maya, I would LOVE to see Ashanti or another African civ. Carthage also very possible.

I'd be very satisfied with above, tho there's still a gap re ancient civs)

 

[CPWimmer]

With the three most obvious Civs now out of the way, I think that the next Civ that Firaxis will give us will be one of the Civ's in this expansion that are from the America's.

I am still predicting that two of the eight will be a Native American Tribe (probably Western) and one of either Maya or Inca. TSL leans towards Inca, but I think both will be in eventually, and am still leaning toward Maya now, and Inca (plus Machu Pichu) in a stand alone DLC before XP #2.

 

[ferretbacon]

Ethiopia: The stele could also give early faith.​

I would actually hope that Ethiopia gets rock-cut churches as either an improvement or as a Temple building replacement.​

 

[Wingednosering]

With the three most obvious Civs now out of the way, I think that the next Civ that Firaxis will give us will be one of the Civ's in this expansion that are from the America's.

I am still predicting that two of the eight will be a Native American Tribe (probably Western) and one of either Maya or Inca. TSL leans towards Inca, but I think both will be in eventually, and am still leaning toward Maya now, and Inca (plus Machu Pichu) in a stand alone DLC before XP #2.

Maya fit this XPAC's themes like a glove.

 

[Mobfire]

Up to this point, Korea, Mongolia and Spain are the only 3 civilizations that appeared in Civ 5 as separate DLC purchases that have reappeared in Civ 6. All other civs that appear as standalone DLC in Civ 6 but also appeared in Civ 5 were either in Civ 5's base game or in an expansion pack.

From this data, it possible to predict that Firaxis wants to avoid releasing the same civlization as a standalone DLC civ twice in a row. As a result, players who only play with the main expansion packs don't miss out on the same civ twice. This also reduces overlap in scenarios. While the data set is admittedly small I wouldn't be surprised to see this trend continue in the future, given that it makes seemingly quite a lot of sense.

For this reason, I highly doubt the other 4 Standalone DLC Civs from Civ 5 (Babylon, the Inca, Polynesia, and Denmark) will be appearing as standalone DLC civs again this time around. Denmark has been effectively replaced by Norway, and if Polynesia reappears it'll probably be in smaller pieces, leaving two heavy-hitters: the Inca and Babylon.

We already know Babylon is a City-State in the game, presumably replacing Seoul. This means it likely won't be added until the next round of expansions. So, it is highly likely that the Inca will be making a return in R&F.

The Inca have a unique culture, a storied history, and come from South America, a region geographically under-represented. I suspect that if the choice came between adding the Maya or the Inca to R&F, Firaxis would choose the Inca, simply because they're more comfortable releasing the Maya later as standalone DLC. Of course, it's possible that both may be added, but that leaves less space for civilizations that have never appeared in the game before. And personally, I also wouldn't be surprised if we saw one of the Pueblo, Apache, or Navajo appear in R&F.

 

[Zaarin]

I still think the Iroquois are the likeliest Native American civ. Not only did the unarguably have the greatest indigenous civilization in post-Columbian North America, but their wily network of alliances makes them a strong fit for R&F. I'd prefer to see someone new (I really, really wan't Powhatan... ), but I expect the Iroquois.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I still think the Iroquois are the likeliest Native American civ. Not only did the unarguably have the greatest indigenous civilization in post-Columbian North America, but their wily network of alliances makes them a strong fit for R&F. I'd prefer to see someone new (I really, really wan't Powhatan... ), but I expect the Iroquois.

I have hopes for the Shawnee based on the "big personality" quotient of Tecumseh, and that they may be interested in doing a culture they haven't done before.

 

[Zaarin]

I have hopes for the Shawnee based on the "big personality" quotient of Tecumseh, and that they may be interested in doing a culture they haven't done before.

They wouldn't be my first choice for the same reason people argue against Zenobia (rather unfairly, IMO, because I would say she would represent Syria/Aram, not Palmyra, but I digress): the Shawnee really weren't very significant aside from Tecumseh's very brief revolt. For someone new from the East I'd much rather see the Powhatan led by Powhatan (another big personality) or the Choctaw led by Tecumseh's rival Pushmataha.

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

They wouldn't be my first choice for the same reason people argue against Zenobia (rather unfairly, IMO, because I would say she would represent Syria/Aram, not Palmyra, but I digress): the Shawnee really weren't very significant aside from Tecumseh's very brief revolt. For someone new from the East I'd much rather see the Powhatan led by Powhatan (another big personality) or the Choctaw led by Tecumseh's rival Pushmataha.

The Shawnee do have the benefit of a known capital, and Tecumseh's ambition not just to resist America, but to drive them back to the sea by uniting all the tribes in the east with religious fervor is impressive. And it's not often you can find a Native American option that could do holy war. Basically, I'm asking for Firaxis to pull a Macedon and make a civ as a vehicle for a really cool leader.

 

[Vahnstad]

What are all the possible native American tribes?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

What are all the possible native American tribes?

Do you mean likely choices, or the full list? Because if you want the full list, it is probably better to give you a link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

 

[Vahnstad]

Up to this point, Korea, Mongolia and Spain are the only 3 civilizations that appeared in Civ 5 as separate DLC purchases that have reappeared in Civ 6. All other civs that appear as standalone DLC in Civ 6 but also appeared in Civ 5 were either in Civ 5's base game or in an expansion pack.

From this data, it possible to predict that Firaxis wants to avoid releasing the same civlization as a standalone DLC civ twice in a row. As a result, players who only play with the main expansion packs don't miss out on the same civ twice. This also reduces overlap in scenarios. While the data set is admittedly small I wouldn't be surprised to see this trend continue in the future, given that it makes seemingly quite a lot of sense.

For this reason, I highly doubt the other 4 Standalone DLC Civs from Civ 5 (Babylon, the Inca, Polynesia, and Denmark) will be appearing as standalone DLC civs again this time around. Denmark has been effectively replaced by Norway, and if Polynesia reappears it'll probably be in smaller pieces, leaving two heavy-hitters: the Inca and Babylon.

We already know Babylon is a City-State in the game, presumably replacing Seoul. This means it likely won't be added until the next round of expansions. So, it is highly likely that the Inca will be making a return in R&F.

The Inca have a unique culture, a storied history, and come from South America, a region geographically under-represented. I suspect that if the choice came between adding the Maya or the Inca to R&F, Firaxis would choose the Inca, simply because they're more comfortable releasing the Maya later as standalone DLC. Of course, it's possible that both may be added, but that leaves less space for civilizations that have never appeared in the game before. And personally, I also wouldn't be surprised if we saw one of the Pueblo, Apache, or Navajo appear in R&F.

Good reasoning. Only sad thing is that we won't see an Inca wonder this time around probably.

Do you mean likely choices, or the full list? Because if you want the full list, it is probably better to give you a link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classification_of_indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

From likely to less likely, but a list of +-10 civs (and also indicate geography). That would be handy-dandy for someone with no knowledge of native American civs. (north-American)

 

[Zaarin]

The Shawnee do have the benefit of a known capital, and Tecumseh's ambition not just to resist America, but to drive them back to the sea by uniting all the tribes in the east with religious fervor is impressive. And it's not often you can find a Native American option that could do holy war. Basically, I'm asking for Firaxis to pull a Macedon and make a civ as a vehicle for a really cool leader.

Fair enough. I'd prefer to see a big personality leader that also led a significant tribe, like Powhatan. Also I think Pushmataha is interesting because he was neither an accomodationist like the Creek and Cherokee leadership nor a reactionary like Tecumseh. He recognized that Euro-Americans were here to stay so he might as well make the best of it, neither surrendering his people's rights and autonomy to America nor wasting blood on a futile war. Plus the Choctaw were one of the most powerful tribes in the Southeast.

What are all the possible native American tribes?

A lot.

 

[MAHRana]

The Iroquois would fit nicely in with the diplomacy features, whether we’d want them over another civ or not.
Can see the Mayans taking advantage of the golden/dark age system as well.
I’d say an Oriental civ (incl. Byzantium), an African one (Mali perhaps), and the last one would be maybe something more surprising.

 

[luigilime]

the iroquois could also have a female leader in jigonhsasee (please correct me if it's written in a different way)

 

[MAHRana]

Actually yeah, the Iroquois can be replaced by the Powhatan Confederacy, with Pocahontas as their leader we could end up seeing.

 

[DeepKing]

Could a Mayan queen be the leader Anton said plays with the age system in an interesting way?

Edit: The rage in the community will be red hot if Firaxis used Pocahontas lol

 

[Duckfromstatefarm]

Could a Mayan queen be the leader Anton said plays with the age system in an interesting way?

Edit: The rage in the community will be red hot if Firaxis used Pocahontas lol

I would grab the popcorn, if Fixaris did used Pocahontas.

 

[Ondolindë]

I know we haven't had clues in relation to the americas much, but I don't see why the Inca would not be included. For one, it fills an important vacant portion of the map, then their government structure is comprised of governors with a very strict hierarchy ruling over four segments of the empire, their very own rise and fall has piqued the interest of so many throughout history, they have marvelous structures including the Inca Trail (it should be somehow part of their abilities in Civ VI) which covers such long distances of the empire and so crucial for its supervision (it is fantastic to hike and travel on even to this day). There is intrigue and betrayal, conquest and domination. It is a must have, in my opinion. Plus Quechua, come on, so fun to hear in Civ V. Ok, who's with me that we MUST have the Inca this time around?

 

[Eagle Pursuit]

I know we haven't had clues in relation to the americas much, but I don't see why the Inca would not be included. For one, it fills an important vacant portion of the map, then their government structure is comprised of governors with a very strict hierarchy ruling over four segments of the empire, their very own rise and fall has piqued the interest of so many throughout history, they have marvelous structures including the Inca Trail (it should be somehow part of their abilities in Civ VI) which covers such long distances of the empire and so crucial for its supervision (it is fantastic to hike and travel on even to this day). There is intrigue and betrayal, conquest and domination. It is a must have, in my opinion. Plus Quechua, come on, so fun to hear in Civ V. Ok, who's with me that we MUST have the Inca this time around?

Oh, I agree. I would be extremely surprised if the Inca were not in R&F.