Battlefield 3

[Luckymoose]

I'd like to add that people don't show up on the minimap in hardcore. :3 Cause there isn't one without being on the start menu. Hardcore is by far the only way to play the game anyway. Instead of a whole clip you only need 1/4 - 1/3 a clip to kill someone.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

If you're having that problem in the last sentence you need to aim better. Seriously. Even a third of a clip is plenty if you aim it well.

 

[Luckymoose]

If you're having that problem in the last sentence you need to aim better. Seriously. Even a third of a clip is plenty if you aim it well.

I mean the fact that in non-hardcore an M24 takes two body shots to kill someone. Hell the assault rifles can usually get 10 kills out of magazine in hardcore. Everytime I've played normal it is very arcadey and lacks that intense feeling. Plus it makes medics much more needed!

 

[MoonFlare]

I'd like to add that people don't show up on the minimap in hardcore. :3 Cause there isn't one without being on the start menu. Hardcore is by far the only way to play the game anyway. Instead of a whole clip you only need 1/4 - 1/3 a clip to kill someone.

It's really annoying when you hit your target 4-5 times and it's still alive => hardcore mode is the only cure for that. Those guns dont' kill people...they taunt people.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

I mean the fact that in non-hardcore an M24 takes two body shots to kill someone.

Learn to aim for the head then.

Plus it makes medics much more needed!

Until you shoot them dead with less bullets. Sorry, but you're not making much of a case for a system that doesn't punish campers enough.

 

[uat2d]

I'd like to add that people don't show up on the minimap in hardcore. :3 Cause there isn't one without being on the start menu. Hardcore is by far the only way to play the game anyway. Instead of a whole clip you only need 1/4 - 1/3 a clip to kill someone.

Yes, it also greatly promotes wookies camping in the bush trying to arm an mcom with their scope.

I greatly enjoy playing both modes, it depends on my (and my team's) mood. Hardcore I find more challenging while non-hardcore is more fast-paced.

Perhaps in terms of loadout my only difference is that in hardcore I use much more Armor instead of Magnum ammo to deny snipers their OHK, and if using shotguns, I rather use slugs instead of buckshot.

 

[GoodGame]

Impulse is owned by Gamestop now (formerly Stardock) and has nothing to do with any recent news.

EA is only putting its own games on Origin which is, for now anyway, just a re-branded EA download manager. Its silly to have that as their ONLY digital distributor and/or not put the game on Steam but its still available via retail which is how I intend to buy it anyway. But yeah it seems like a pretty stupid fight, the crysis thing was over DLC distribution agreements.

Maybe it's like the NBA and NFL....they're trying to leverage for more income from sales on other digitial distribution systems? Really it doesn't matter for most distribution systems, but Steam is really as fine-tuned as one could get such a system to appeal to gamers. I think in the long run EA will come back to Steam since EA isn't planning on making Origin a Steam killer any time soon. Just my hunch.

 

[brunowarne]

Battlefield Vietnam was much better.

Yeah you are absolutely right and Battlefield Vietnam is much better then Battlefield 1942..
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[Luckymoose]

Yes, it also greatly promotes wookies camping in the bush trying to arm an mcom with their scope.

I greatly enjoy playing both modes, it depends on my (and my team's) mood. Hardcore I find more challenging while non-hardcore is more fast-paced.

Perhaps in terms of loadout my only difference is that in hardcore I use much more Armor instead of Magnum ammo to deny snipers their OHK, and if using shotguns, I rather use slugs instead of buckshot.

Snipers are SUPPOSED to camp. That is why they have camo and long range weaponry. Having efficient counter-sniping makes the game awesome.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

They're called Recons, not Snipers. I see too many damn people who forget about that fact. This isn't freaking Call of Duty.

 

[DaemonDD]

Still, isn't sniping fitting with Battlefield's war-emulating attributes? I say that as long as you can point them out for your teammates, it's okay.

 

[uat2d]

Snipers are SUPPOSED to camp. That is why they have camo and long range weaponry. Having efficient counter-sniping makes the game awesome.

They're called Recons, not Snipers. I see too many damn people who forget about that fact. This isn't freaking Call of Duty.

This. This a million times.

I am yet to find a camping recon player that helps his team win the game.

If you want to play recon, at least help your team. This means rushing with a close range weapon, throwing motion balls and making good use of C4 / mortar strike!!

I'll give you an example, my last Squad attacker pin was achieved with the recon class. Might I add that in that game on Isla Innocentes I won about 4000 points. This was achieved by using the NS 200 shotgun with the M9, C4 and the Lightweight and Magnum Ammo perks.

The squad medic would cover my back and revive me if things went wrong, the assault was keeping me supplied and I was flanking them and arming the objective. When arming the objective, I'd also plant my 3 C4s there and after it was done, rush immediately back to safety.
When in safety, I'd throw a motion ball towards the bomb and, if there was anyone nearing it, I'd blow the C4 in their faces. I blew up 4 of the 6 M-coms (always on the first attempt) that way, killed 5 guys that were disarming the bombs and basically won the game for the team that way, since they were very aggressive defenders and we were always getting down to 20 tickets.


But yeah, if you think that 'counter-sniping is awesome!!11!' or that you're 'SUPPOSED to camp', you're probably confusing this with other games that reward you with killstreaks for camping your ass off.


However, by all means, you're free to be that douche that is happy to get a kill every two minutes while sitting on the other end of the map than the objective, always gets scores below 250 and is surprised why is win/loss ratio is below 1. In fact, we can even check why!

http://bfbc2.statsverse.com/stats/ps3/DarkSoldierPT/comp/360/Luckymoose/

Your Recon kills are of 1,232 vs mine of 596 and your recon score is of 92,946 vs mine 67,594. Congrats.
However you have 32h 35m with your recon class and I have only 2h 15m.
This means that each hour playing recon you kill an average of 37.8 enemies while I kill 264.8 enemies (7 times more) and each minute you score an average of 47.5 points while I score an average of 500.6 (10.5 times more). Surely it's because I play like you.


So yeah, congratulations on your camping and on your below 1 win/loss ratio. I truly think your teammates appreciate your camping and your great efforts to make every game more interesting and to win the game.

 

[Luckymoose]

You play on the PSN so your stats are automatically not counted as realistic due to the Dual Shock. :3 Let alone the sheer lack of serious competition on that platform. Regardless if you look at all of my kits I well outdo you in more than just kills. 90% of my play time is assists. Assists trumps using noob kits in normal difficulty. Also my play time is 99% hardcore. Which these stats fail to take into account.

So in essence you have a better K/D ratio using noob kits on easy mode with easy opponents. Thanks bro.

ALSO. As a recon my score is typically the highest, which is usually over 3000-4000.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Still, isn't sniping fitting with Battlefield's war-emulating attributes?

Snipers in real life cannot and do not shoot lots of people as a primary objective.

This means rushing with a close range weapon

You can still use your sniper rifles. When you're accurate with them, they're the best shotguns in the game. Usually a one-hit kill when you're within a few dozen metres.

 

[cardgame]

I don't see anything wrong with sniping (and camping) as a recon in Conquest mode. In Deathmatch it might be a little cheap, but if you can deny the enemy the manpower to capture points and kill allies who are trying to capture points, you are indeed contributing to the team. Just don't waste those mortar strikes

By the way, how common or uncommon is it to snipe a helicopter pilot out of his huey? I did that on my first day "in country" (playing BFBC2 Vietnam) and thought it was pretty sick.

 

[uat2d]

You play on the PSN so your stats are automatically not counted as realistic due to the Dual Shock. :3 Let alone the sheer lack of serious competition on that platform. Regardless if you look at all of my kits I well outdo you in more than just kills. 90% of my play time is assists. Assists trumps using noob kits in normal difficulty. Also my play time is 99% hardcore. Which these stats fail to take into account.

So in essence you have a better K/D ratio using noob kits on easy mode with easy opponents. Thanks bro.

ALSO. As a recon my score is typically the highest, which is usually over 3000-4000.

Yes, that is all true and totally makes up for all of it.

 

[GoodGame]

Snipers in real life cannot and do not shoot lots of people as a primary objective.



You can still use your sniper rifles. When you're accurate with them, they're the best shotguns in the game. Usually a one-hit kill when you're within a few dozen metres.

The second or third tier hand gun is usually better. Just take careful aim and make headshots with the handgun.

It's true that snipers are not some kind of area denial weapon as much as they are to track movements, disrupt the command structure, and try to break enemy morale.

To that end I think there should be an earned perk that recon class can see the enemy squad leaders and commander (are they back in BF3?), and then earn domination awards on them for bonus xp.

And also make it harder to outright kill, but maybe easier to incapacitate a sniper-hit enemy soldier for more than the usual die-respawn cycle. That'd make more of an incentive for people to go out and rescue, and for the sniper to wound the rescuer, etc.. And also make everyone move more tactically if they can't just fast respawn when stupidly running and gunning.

Also the recon class should have the weapon progression broken up more so the next best sniper rifle is like very third or fourth unlocked item, not every other. Recon should play more like a "dirty tricks" class then a pure sniper. All they'd have to do is make there more of a progression to the other gadgets (e.g make the number of mortar splashes increase incremently as a new unlock) the recon class has, and they can keep high end sniper rifles away for awhile.

 

[Maniacal]

I don't give a rat's bloated buttocks if just because you have a sniper rifle you're "supposed" to camp, because the vast majority of players are NOT good at providing a large contribution to the team (especially in Rush) when camping, if they can even get more than a half dozen kills in an ENTIRE ROUND. Covering the front line from a short distance behind it? Sure, go ahead, as long as you're being useful and not camping in the back waiting for my beautiful cold steel of my knife to SMASH THROUGH YOUR NECK *bloodlust scream*.

EDIT: Also, if uat2d's score "doesn't count because he's on the PSN" then neither does Luckymoose's because he's on XBOX LIVE. You both fail for not playing on the PC.

 

[cardgame]

Ah yes, collecting dogtags is so much fun

 

[Luckymoose]

If you have a long range rifle, use it at long range. I don't understand you people and your misunderstanding of what BATTLEFIELD is.