BB-01 open succession game--fast space race
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I played the first turn and conquered Delhi(?) and Koharabad and I am pretty Sure that I will take the last one in the main area by turn 3.
I would then shift forces to attack against Inca and mop up the last two indian on the go. When we take the last one, we would even conquer a second source of incense and would not depend on that High flip risk twon in france.
I would then shift forces to attack against Inca and mop up the last two indian on the go. When we take the last one, we would even conquer a second source of incense and would not depend on that High flip risk twon in france.
I think you want to clarify the idea of city rank here. AFAIK, the game finishes its builds for cities in the order in which you founded them. At least as I remember, anytime I've named my cities 1, 2, 3, ... builds have completed in the order 1, 2, 3, ...
So, to execute "the ToE-Internet slingshot" you want to
1. Have both a build on The Theory of Evolution in city X, and a 1000 shield palace prebuild in city Y which got founded after city X, to complete the same turn you finish researching the last required industrial age technology. Commerce happens before shields, so you'll learn the tech first.
2. Use "what's the big picture" to trade for all the scientific tribes technologies that you can get.
3. Let the Theory of Evolution complete in city X.
4. Take techs required to get Miniaturization.
5. Use "what's the big picture" to swap city Y to The Internet.
6. On the next turn swap another prebuild on SETI to SETI, or use an SGL on SETI if available.
The easiest way to ensure that your palace prebuild happens after Theory of Evolution completes comes as to build Theory of Evolution in the capital... assuming that you haven't disbanded your original capital.
So, to execute "the ToE-Internet slingshot" you want to
1. Have both a build on The Theory of Evolution in city X, and a 1000 shield palace prebuild in city Y which got founded after city X, to complete the same turn you finish researching the last required industrial age technology. Commerce happens before shields, so you'll learn the tech first.
2. Use "what's the big picture" to trade for all the scientific tribes technologies that you can get.
3. Let the Theory of Evolution complete in city X.
4. Take techs required to get Miniaturization.
5. Use "what's the big picture" to swap city Y to The Internet.
6. On the next turn swap another prebuild on SETI to SETI, or use an SGL on SETI if available.
The easiest way to ensure that your palace prebuild happens after Theory of Evolution completes comes as to build Theory of Evolution in the capital... assuming that you haven't disbanded your original capital.
I played my first 6 turns and we reached the IA and finished Newton.
With Newton and all of the indian lands we still need 90% Science to manage 4 turn research for Steam Power. Akkad is finishing a Uni this turn, but apart from that it will be tough to gain new research power easily, especially when the GA ends.
The Mongols would be willing to sell 2 luxes, but are to stupid to build a harbour. Maybe we should build one for them and gift it to them?
I uploaded the save for Alnzelot because I am feeling unsure what to built in all these cities and would like some more detailed feedback. I have been churning out MIs in the core, which means we have now more than we can ever use to finish of the incas, but I doont know what else to build. Factory prebuilds sound to soon already when we want to go for RP first.
Also given all the new info on the beginning of the Modern age, do we still save the SGL for that (would be ToE now) or do we use him for Hoover?. Do we save ToE for the start of Modern age?
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With Newton and all of the indian lands we still need 90% Science to manage 4 turn research for Steam Power. Akkad is finishing a Uni this turn, but apart from that it will be tough to gain new research power easily, especially when the GA ends.
The Mongols would be willing to sell 2 luxes, but are to stupid to build a harbour. Maybe we should build one for them and gift it to them?
I uploaded the save for Alnzelot because I am feeling unsure what to built in all these cities and would like some more detailed feedback. I have been churning out MIs in the core, which means we have now more than we can ever use to finish of the incas, but I doont know what else to build. Factory prebuilds sound to soon already when we want to go for RP first.
Also given all the new info on the beginning of the Modern age, do we still save the SGL for that (would be ToE now) or do we use him for Hoover?. Do we save ToE for the start of Modern age?
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Where did Magnetism come from? A few more details about the tech deals would be nice for the people following the game...In any case: Navigation is available as well. We should trade it from the most backward civ and then try to get some gold (and a complete world map in the process) by selling maps around.
Sure: there's still a free spot on the south-western Mongolian shore. We can send a settler there mid-term. (Don't even need to gift the town to them, as long as it is connected to their road network...)
It's Lord Emsworth's turn now.
However, it is true: we don't have anything useful to build in the core except units at the moment.
Nevertheless I'm not yet convinced we should attack the Incas. Did you pay attention, who finished which tech? During your 6 turns the AI finished Banking, Magnetism and Navigation, so there must be some decent researchers among them, and I have the feeling, the Incas are one of them. Let's make an assessment of the remaining civs and then attack the weakest one.In general we should now research the techs up to Electronics and hope that during that time an AI comes up with Industrialization or perhaps Sanitation. On the other hand: that requires giving away Steam and Medicine. Can we really afford this, if we want to keep ToE for the Modern Age??
After Bartleby's information I would say: we try the "Internet slingshot" by having two perfect pre-builds for ToE and Internet, and then in the following turn we use the SGL for SETI.
Magnetism was already ours when I started.??
No!!!!
I was uploading a midturn save, to ask a few questions before playing on. I will continue playing now.
Dont know about Magnetism, but banking was provided by Portugal, will try to find out about navigation.However, it is true: we don't have anything useful to build in the core except units at the moment.
Well I have been playing a dozen diplo games in the last few weeks, and never managed for an emperor AI to come up with something useful. Although in this scenario i use ToE for AT and electronics, so thats 8 more turn for the AI. But there are so many juicy unnecessary techs, that the AIs always gets sidetracked. But i have no fear of the AI researching SciMet before we reach the MA as that would require them to get 2 times the correct tech.
Oops, how embarrassing: I remember, I researched Magnetism myself (before Gravity), because I wanted to be able to ship home the over-seas wine resources.... 
Ok, so Portugal gets a chance. How powerful is France?
In any case, we need more territory for science farms, and yes, it is quite likely that the AI will now concentrate on Nationalism, Communism, Fascism... So I guess the best we can do now is to drain the cash out of the more powerful AIs and swallow the weaker ones...
For the rest of your turnset just concentrate on increasing the population everywhere. Population in the core gives direct revenue increase, while population in the boondocks will be used as scientists. That's the only way to maintain 4-turn research after our GA.
Ok, so Portugal gets a chance. How powerful is France?
In any case, we need more territory for science farms, and yes, it is quite likely that the AI will now concentrate on Nationalism, Communism, Fascism... So I guess the best we can do now is to drain the cash out of the more powerful AIs and swallow the weaker ones...
For the rest of your turnset just concentrate on increasing the population everywhere. Population in the core gives direct revenue increase, while population in the boondocks will be used as scientists. That's the only way to maintain 4-turn research after our GA.
The relevant autosaves have been deleted already, So I cant tell you if France or Inca reseached Navigation. Since I need to increase Populatrion in india, I assume, no more worker building in the conquered cities? Or do I just irrigate everything, and let growth slowly outpace worker production?
First lot's of workers for the irrigation and rails. Afterwards the towns grow back much faster. (And after all the work is done, the workers can be joined back to cities, where necessary, reclaiming the "lost" food with interest.)
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Trampling the AI
I agree with Lanzelot. Build workers everywhere possible until all cities are connected by rails. Once that happens, we can switch builds away from workers as we work on railing every last tile.
Ok finisched my turnset.
This is what happened:
India was gone in AD 380, one turn after incas and Indians made peace. Well they did their job and destroyed that one far away town.
Incas built Knights templat in turn AD380
Germans got the wall in AD390
I bought Ivory from germany for fur and wines in AD390
We got steam in AD 400 (just this turn). There are two coals in our empire, but both not yet connected.
Military
Most troops are ready on the Incan front, and we could attack this turn (most troops have MP left).
Army Group North (A) contains our Trebs for softening up those pipes and is fully ready for attack.
Army Group Center(B) Contains 3 MIs ready for movement and 1 which has just arrived.
Army Group South (C) is our old attack force for india. If you do not attack this turn move the stack with the Bowman onto the stack with nthe elite MIs. All together this contains 7 MI and a bowman.
Before we attack india we need to cancel our ROP and we have 5 urns running on a deal where they pay us 2 gpt. Dont know if we take a rep hit for breaking that one, but we could definitely live without the gold.
Tech Situation
As you can see we only manage 5-turn research on electricity. and since our GA should end soon, it will probably be more like 6 or 7.
OTOH we can manage 4 turns on Industialization and probably also on the corporation, giving us 8 more tunrs to grow/Conquer more scientists. Stop, just checked, and we can switch to 100 % Science by now which would mean 4 turns on electricity if our GA lasts long enough.
I have send all AIs after Sanitation but not yet given them Steam power.
Coal Mining
There are two coals in our empire, but oone is just outside our borders and one is on a unconnected mountain.
I send a lot of workers to the eastern mountain, before I came up with the idea of just building a colony on the western hill. So the next one should have plenty of fun railroading our empire.
Lux hunting
There is a galleon with a settler on the way to the free ivory on the mongol lands, it should sail westwards and reach the land in 15 turns or so. I forgot to send troops with it, so maybe taking a MI from AG south on the way would not be to wrong.
This is what happened:
India was gone in AD 380, one turn after incas and Indians made peace. Well they did their job and destroyed that one far away town.
Incas built Knights templat in turn AD380
Germans got the wall in AD390
I bought Ivory from germany for fur and wines in AD390
We got steam in AD 400 (just this turn). There are two coals in our empire, but both not yet connected.
Military
Most troops are ready on the Incan front, and we could attack this turn (most troops have MP left).
Army Group North (A) contains our Trebs for softening up those pipes and is fully ready for attack.
Army Group Center(B) Contains 3 MIs ready for movement and 1 which has just arrived.
Army Group South (C) is our old attack force for india. If you do not attack this turn move the stack with the Bowman onto the stack with nthe elite MIs. All together this contains 7 MI and a bowman.
Before we attack india we need to cancel our ROP and we have 5 urns running on a deal where they pay us 2 gpt. Dont know if we take a rep hit for breaking that one, but we could definitely live without the gold.
Tech Situation
As you can see we only manage 5-turn research on electricity. and since our GA should end soon, it will probably be more like 6 or 7.
OTOH we can manage 4 turns on Industialization and probably also on the corporation, giving us 8 more tunrs to grow/Conquer more scientists. Stop, just checked, and we can switch to 100 % Science by now which would mean 4 turns on electricity if our GA lasts long enough.
I have send all AIs after Sanitation but not yet given them Steam power.
Coal Mining
There are two coals in our empire, but oone is just outside our borders and one is on a unconnected mountain.
I send a lot of workers to the eastern mountain, before I came up with the idea of just building a colony on the western hill. So the next one should have plenty of fun railroading our empire.
Lux hunting
There is a galleon with a settler on the way to the free ivory on the mongol lands, it should sail westwards and reach the land in 15 turns or so. I forgot to send troops with it, so maybe taking a MI from AG south on the way would not be to wrong.
Attachments
Lord Emsworth
Emperor
Please skip me.
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
Roster check:
Kulko - just played
Lord Emsworth - skip
Lanzelot - up
brazilbear - mia
Elephantium
Kulko - just played
Lord Emsworth - skip
Lanzelot - up
brazilbear - mia
Elephantium
I can prepare an action plan probably tonight, but not sure whether I will find time for plaing the turns over Easter weekend... (Wife allowed to take the laptop on the trip, so perhaps I get a chance, you never know... 
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Ok, the GA has already ended (only the display bug still shows incorrect spt and gpt values...), so we'll probably need like 6 turns for Electricity. This means we need science farms now asap. At first I was hesitant, whether a war against the Incas would really be a good idea, as they are #2 in population. But you are probably right: from now on it is very unlikely that the AI will contribute anything useful to our research, so we might as well.
So the plan is:
So the plan is:
- Rearrange MM for the end of GA.
- Produce workers and slaves wherever possible. (I will use some gold for that, we have enough.)
- Production is not important right now, so I will use most of the workers for a) railing those core cities that still need some food for sustaining pop12, e.g. Uruk and b) irrigate and rail the good science farm sites.
- Switch Izibia from University to Aqueduct. (I'll shortrush it.)
- Start the war against Incas next turn. We need more science farms and also need to reduce our unit upkeep.
- Go for the ivory you indicated. Hadn't spotted that up to now, good job!
Turnlog:
Handover notes:
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Handover notes:
- Andahuaylas is going to riot next turn. This is on purpose to avoid starvation.
- I've started connecting our extra gems and dyes resources. Sell them for as much gpt as possible, once they are connected.
- We can currently research the next 2-3 techs in 4 turns at 80%, making +70gpt. Most probably you can even reduce research to 70% for the last 1-2 turns.
- Use that money for rushing slaves and settlers where appropriate, and of course for rushing our harbor in Mongolia, once we need to buy their spices.
- After Corporation, we should probably research up to Electronics, while Eridu works on a Hoover prebuild. Also, when the next factories go online, it's time to make some exact calculations, how many turns we'll still need for the remainder of the industrial age and when we need to start our ToE and Internet prebuilds! (Finish 3 more Banks and then 5 Stock Exchanges, then we can use the Wallstreet as another prebuild, until the Sufferage is free again. We don't have anything useful to build at the moment anyway.)
- Please note that the last core towns are going to hit size 12 in the next 2-4 turns. Don't forget to change excess irrigations to mines after that...
- In 18 turns you can ship over a few units from Huamanga to that southern island and finish off the Incas.
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
Got it.
Elephantium
Trampling the AI
Pre-turn: Things look good.
Turn 1 - collect Workers to hook up the rail net as much as possible. Put a few on jungle-clearing duty.
Turn 2 - Realize we're awfully exposed to French sneak-attack and reposition units on key rail segments to prevent it.
Turn 3 - Corps > Scientific Method
Found 3 cities.
Rail net skelton is almost complete.
Turn 4 - Renovate tiles near Babylon. We chop the tree there and put in mines and rails. We also mine a couple of tiles for Ninevah.
Turn 5 - Sell Steam Power to Germany along with Gems in exchange for his Ivory, wM, and 15g.
Turn 6 - Quiet turn. I'd like to start a war on Portugal to take their land, but we have deals going for another 10 turns.
Turn 7 - Scientific Method > Steel (it's the only one we can research in 4 turns at 100%)
Sell Steam Power to the Mongols (along with luxes) for Spices and a bit of gold.
Turn 8 - More worker moves...
Turn 9 - Yet more worker moves...we're starting to have decent science farm coverage...
Turn 10 - Handoff time. I've done some MM for beakers, but we do need to get more science farms up and running!
Turn 1 - collect Workers to hook up the rail net as much as possible. Put a few on jungle-clearing duty.
Turn 2 - Realize we're awfully exposed to French sneak-attack and reposition units on key rail segments to prevent it.
Turn 3 - Corps > Scientific Method
Found 3 cities.
Rail net skelton is almost complete.
Turn 4 - Renovate tiles near Babylon. We chop the tree there and put in mines and rails. We also mine a couple of tiles for Ninevah.
Turn 5 - Sell Steam Power to Germany along with Gems in exchange for his Ivory, wM, and 15g.
Turn 6 - Quiet turn. I'd like to start a war on Portugal to take their land, but we have deals going for another 10 turns.
Turn 7 - Scientific Method > Steel (it's the only one we can research in 4 turns at 100%)
Sell Steam Power to the Mongols (along with luxes) for Spices and a bit of gold.
Turn 8 - More worker moves...
Turn 9 - Yet more worker moves...we're starting to have decent science farm coverage...
Turn 10 - Handoff time. I've done some MM for beakers, but we do need to get more science farms up and running!
