Marrakesh is already in the game would be odd for them to remove it to add in the Morroco civ. I can't believe they will add them seeing as having the CS has disallowed so many other civs already.
Forthis expansion alone they have already removed Warsaw, Rio de Janeiro and Lisbon. They've already removed Copenhagen, Olso, Helsinki, Stockholm, Seoul, Vienna, Edinburgh and Dublin. They have absolutely no qualms about removing city states to add full civs. In fact, the way they go about removing and replacing these city states is the basis of an idea that is based on colour-type combinations of added or moved civilizations, which if it remains consistent (and it has with two city states added so far) would mean that Venice has been removed and replaced by someone.
Also, before you ask, Lisbon was an added City state in Gods & Kings.
Marrakesh is already in the game would be odd for them to remove it to add in the Morroco civ. I can't believe they will add them seeing as having the CS has disallowed so many other civs already.
That's not even remotely true. It has been common for city-states to become civs in a later expansion or DLC.
Copenhagen & Oslo were city-states before becoming Denmark.
Seoul before Korea.
Edinburgh & Dublin before the Celts.
Lisbon before Portugal.
Rio de Janiero before Brazil
Warsaw before Poland
Stockhom & Helsinki before Sweden.
Vienna before Austria
with that information in mind, how about taking the current city states as precursor of later full civs?
there was a reason to add those city states in the first place. to mention a certain region/era at least once.
with that information in mind, how about taking the current city states as precursor of later full civs?
there was a reason to add those city states in the first place. to mention a certain region/era at least once.
For Gods & Kings they had some 42 city states and some 34 civilizations. With only 9 being added, even if every new addition was made from city states, it barely narrows the list on it's own. The issue though, is that whilst city states have been in the game before civilizations, it is hardly that common. 16 new Civilizations have been added since the release of vanilla, of them only:
Austria - Vienna
Denmark - Copenhagen and Oslo
Sweden - Stockholm and Helsinki
Korea - Seoul
Celts - Ediburgh and Dublin
So that's only 5 of 16. Even taking into account the new added civilizations:
Portugal - Lisbon
Brazil - Rio de Janeiro
Poland - Warsaw
That's still only 8 from 21. It's certainly something to think about, but nothing particularly accurate. The city states do give us two useful tools to guess who's coming though:
1. By seeing city states in the Brave New World screenshots, we can rule out possibilities
2. We can see what colour-type combinations are being replaced (if any are being replaced) to determine who may have been replaced
The current example of 2 is that Riga has taken Venice's colour-type combination, suggesting that it has been replaced, which in turn suggests that either Italy or Venice has been added.
I would be careful though, the developers read these forums, and they may use all this speculation to screw with us. I don't recall them ever doing that, but who knows. Might be a fun way of keeping us engaged or potentially really annoy us for no particularly good reason.
Marrakesh is already in the game would be odd for them to remove it to add in the Morroco civ. I can't believe they will add them seeing as having the CS has disallowed so many other civs already.
I don't see what's the problem...
Marrakesh is, indeed, a City State as of Gods & Kings, but so is Lisbon, Warsaw and Rio de Janeiro. Before the DLC Civilizations, so were Oslo, Seoul, Copenhagen, and others, and Honolulu was an American City, if I'm not mistaken, yet we have Denmark, Korea and Polynesia as Civilizations.
So unless you have seen Marrakesh as a city state in any of the Brave New World's screenshots, being a city state right now is of no issue.
i dont see why they throw out city states in the first place. they could have just kept and excluded them from games in which their parent civ participates. ofc new city states could still be added.
would certainly create more diversity in terms of city states you encounter.
For Gods & Kings they had some 42 city states and some 34 civilizations. With only 9 being added, even if every new addition was made from city states, it barely narrows the list on it's own. The issue though, is that whilst city states have been in the game before civilizations, it is hardly that common. 16 new Civilizations have been added since the release of vanilla, of them only:
Austria - Vienna
Denmark - Copenhagen and Oslo
Sweden - Stockholm and Helsinki
Korea - Seoul
Celts - Ediburgh and Dublin
I'm pretty sure neither Madrid, Karakorum nor Cusco were ever City-States. The City-State converts we've had so far are Copenhagen(Denmark), Oslo(Denmark), Stockholm(Sweden), Helsinki(Sweden), Vienna(Austria), Seoul(Korea), Edinburgh(Celts), Dublin(Celts), Lisbon(Portugal) and Rio(Brazil) IIRC.
I'm pretty sure neither Madrid, Karakorum nor Cusco were ever City-States. The City-State converts we've had so far are Copenhagen(Denmark), Oslo(Denmark), Stockholm(Sweden), Helsinki(Sweden), Vienna(Austria), Seoul(Korea), Edinburgh(Celts), Dublin(Celts), Lisbon(Portugal) and Rio(Brazil) IIRC.
Nope, Madrid/Barcelona were never City States.
The Vanilla city states were :
Warsaw (Culture)
Edinbrugh (Militaristic)
Dublin (Militaristic)
Geneva (Culture)
Venice (Maritime)
Genoa (Maritime)
Florence (Cultured)
Ragusa (Maritime)
Copenhagen (Maritime)
Oslo (Maritime)
Stockholm (Maritime)
Helsinki (Maritime)
Bucharest (Cultured)
Budapest (Militaristic)
Belgrade (Militaristic)
Vienna (Cultured)
Brussells (Cultured)
Monaco (Cultured)
Seoul (Cultured)
Hanoi (Militaristic)
Lhasa (Cultured)
Almaty (Militaristic)
Kuala Lampur (Cultured)
Singapore (Maritime)
Rio de Janeiro (Maritime)
Cape Town (Maritime)
Sidon (Militaristic)
and Tyre (Militaristic)
I'll just point to others, for example, Carthage, that also were never city-states and were unlikely to be in the works before the vanilla game came out. Amsterdam is another one.
The other option is that they weren't seen as city states. Up until they started replacing them there was at least a vague argument that they were city states rather than minor-civs. That said, it's quite possible that they already thought of making them at that point with the view to them being DLC, which then answers at least some of the question about how much planning went into it before they started making DLC, as if it is the case, then it is clear that Korea, Polynesia and Denmark were not planned at the time of release.
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