[Beyond the Sword] History In The Making

[Shaalae]

Fine by me
i was only asking a question (Hitm-related) and i didn't want to argue around, sorry.
But at least this shows that this is indeed a very sensitive issue

 

[Rambo919]

hahaha dude you know as well as the rest of us that the issue did not need proving. Hitm wise though im playing as peter the great, hitler is very friendly to me, we are both jewish and im loving the sheer novelty of the situation

edit:Isabella of spain declared war on me a few turns back but seems unable to enter my borders. This happened a few months ago as well in another game but i cannot remember if it was Hitm or another mod, i went through half the game with my enemy basically patrolling my borders

edit 2: False alarm, after a few more turns she and hitler made peace she started coming for me

 

[MasterTonberry]

The last game I played before my current one, I had Solomon of Israel as the founder of Islam, and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Persia as the founder of Judaism.

They were both at war with each other from pretty much the start of the game all the way through to the end.

The humourous irony of the situation was not lost on me

 

[MasterTonberry]

Holy hell, this thread is pretty dead now.

We're lucky to get more than one post a day

 

[zeggy]

Please some earth maps for this mod..25-30 civs ?

some one ..? ^^

i would make some if i knew how

 

[Arian]

Please some earth maps for this mod..25-30 civs ?

some one ..? ^^

i would make some if i knew how

The DLL allows only up to 24 civs.

 

[LetMyPeopleGo]

That's one way of looking at things.

I see it differently. Making all religions the same is akin to making all governments or all political parties the same. It's arguably true at a lowest common denominator level when you reduce them all to powerful organizations, but not a very accurate repesentation.

I'm convinced that making all religions equal came from Firaxis' marketing, or legal, or PR departments, with an eye toward maximizing overall profits.

To my way of thinking, Firaxis took credit away from various religions by making their wonders generic. That was understandable, but wrong. The Pyramids and Greek wonders probably wouldn't have been built without religious support. The same can be said of numerous wonders built since.

I see the changes Grave has made in his mod as steps toward enhanced historical accuracy and greater strategic depth. When I want more wonders, I may have to embrace more religions. I'd have no problem making each world wonder civic or religion specific, for greater historical realism and more complex gameplay.


All of that being said, I hope you are able to customize this mod to your liking and maximize your enjoyment of it. I never looked at that part of the code, so I can't even speculate. If I had an answer or suggestion I'd offer it to you.

Good Luck!

Hi Rusty Edge, thanks for replying, I'd like to differentiate historic facts from game playability, historically the Notre Dame de Paris as it is today is a tribue to the vision of the Archbishop of Paris, to Eugène Viollet-le-Duc, one of France's most famous architects and to French Gothic architecture in general, so it's more a French wonder then a christian wonder so better assign the wonder to the French civ rather then to a Cherokee chief who dicovered theology first.

Of course I'm joking, the game by nature will never be historically correct, Rice is planted by people, not "found" by dicovering agriculture.

Civics and governments are researched and available for all in the game, so should be wonders, tech related and not religion related.

Historically speaking, world wonders were built by visionaries, great people and powerfull leaders and many times despite religion.

Anyway I've found the lines to change and it's quite simple.

 

[zeggy]

The DLL allows only up to 24 civs.

A 24 civ earth map then !

Please if one of you guys could make it would be really great!!

 

[Pingpong]

the mod doesnt work on my civ4 ?! why????
also i could not see the fond

 

[MasterTonberry]

the mod doesnt work on my civ4 ?! why????
also i could not see the fond

We need more info than that. What do you mean by 'it doesn't work'?

 

[kaltorak]

I have never played any mods that modify the gameplay. I always play with just BUG. Lately I felt like trying one, and after reading some posts, this sounds like the most interesting.

Ill check it out this week

 

[Pingpong]

We need more info than that. What do you mean by 'it doesn't work'?

as i said bevore

i cant see the fond, and if i click the first than the third last= game play

the mod wants to start the game but that an error comes, but i can not tell you kind of error that is, because i cant see the fond


thx

 

[Pingpong]

here is my error log fromphythonerror data

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load_module BugEventManager
load_module CvEventManager
load_module CvUtil
load_module traceback
load_module CvScreensInterface
load_module CvMainInterface
load_module ScreenInput
load_module CvScreenEnums
load_module time
load_module CvStatisticsScreen
load_module UnitStatisticsTools
load_module UnitStatisticsDefines
load_module SdToolKitAdvanced
load_module cPickle
load_module PyHelpers
load_module CvStatisticsScreensEnums
load_module BugCore
load_module BugUtil
load_module ColorUtil
load_module BugOptions
load_module BugConfigTracker
load_module BugInit
load_module BugConfig
load_module xmllib
..\WARLORDS\ASSETS\PYTHON\SYSTEM\xmllib.py:9: DeprecationWarning: The xmllib module is obsolete. Use xml.sax instead.
load_module BugPath
load_module CvModName
load_module FontUtil
load_module InputUtil
load_module configobj
load_module __future__
load_module codecs
load_module validate
validate import failed
05:18:53 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod NJAGC
05:18:53 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod Scores
05:18:53 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod MainInterface
05:18:53 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod CityScreen
load_module MonkeyTools
load_module AStarTools
05:18:53 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod PLE
load_module Scoreboard
load_module DealUtil
load_module PlayerUtil
load_module ReminderEventManager
load_module Popup
load_module SdToolKit
load_module autolog
05:18:53 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod Autolog
05:18:53 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod Reminder
load_module GGUtil
load_module GPUtil
load_module ProgressBarUtil
load_module RawYields
load_module CvTechChooser
load_module TechPrefs
05:18:53 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod Advisors
load_module CvForeignAdvisor
load_module math
load_module CvExoticForeignAdvisor
load_module IconGrid_BUG
load_module DomPyHelpers
load_module TechTree
load_module AttitudeUtil
load_module FavoriteCivicDetector
load_module CvReligionScreen
load_module CvCorporationScreen
load_module CvCivicsScreen
load_module CvVictoryScreen
load_module TechUtil
load_module CvEspionageAdvisor
05:18:53 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod BetterEspionage
load_module CvOptionsScreen
load_module CvReplayScreen
load_module CvHallOfFameScreen
load_module CvDanQuayle
load_module CvGameUtils
load_module CvUnVictoryScreen
load_module CvDawnOfMan
load_module CvTechSplashScreen
load_module CvTopCivs
load_module random
load_module CvInfoScreen
load_module CvIntroMovieScreen
load_module CvVictoryMovieScreen
load_module CvWonderMovieScreen
load_module CvEraMovieScreen
load_module CvSpaceShipScreen
load_module SevoScreenEnums
load_module CvWorldBuilderScreen
load_module CvWorldBuilderDiplomacyScreen
load_module CvDebugTools
load_module CvDebugInfoScreen
load_module CvMapGeneratorUtil
load_module CvGFCScreen
load_module CvPopupInterface
load_module CvScreenUtilsInterface
load_module CvOverlayScreenUtils
load_module CvDotMapOverlayScreen
load_module CvStrategyOverlay
load_module SdToolkit
05:18:53 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod StrategyOverlay
load_module CvScreenUtils
load_module BugOptionsScreen
load_module BugErrorOptionsTab
load_module BugOptionsTab
05:18:53 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod TechWindow
init-ing world builder screen
load_module CvWBPopups
load_module CvCameraControls
load_module CvAdvisorUtils
05:18:53 DEBUG: BugEventManager - adding event 'PreGameStart'
05:18:53 DEBUG: BugEventManager - adding event 'BeginActivePlayerTurn'
05:18:53 DEBUG: BugEventManager - adding event 'LanguageChanged'
05:18:53 DEBUG: BugEventManager - adding event 'ResolutionChanged'
05:18:53 DEBUG: BugEventManager - adding event 'PythonReloaded'
05:18:53 DEBUG: BugInit - initializing...
05:18:53 DEBUG: BugInit - global context not ready
PY:OnInit
load_module CvAppInterface

 

[rwglaub]

It's not a Warlords mod, it's a Beyond the Sword mod.

 

[Pingpong]

i have checked this now, no i am sure that i have startet beyond the sword...

 

[Rusty Edge]

Hi Rusty Edge, thanks for replying, I'd like to differentiate historic facts from game playability, historically the Notre Dame de Paris as it is today is a tribue to the vision of the Archbishop of Paris, to Eugène Viollet-le-Duc, one of France's most famous architects and to French Gothic architecture in general, so it's more a French wonder then a christian wonder so better assign the wonder to the French civ rather then to a Cherokee chief who dicovered theology first.

Of course I'm joking, the game by nature will never be historically correct, Rice is planted by people, not "found" by dicovering agriculture.

Civics and governments are researched and available for all in the game, so should be wonders, tech related and not religion related.

Historically speaking, world wonders were built by visionaries, great people and powerfull leaders and many times despite religion.

Anyway I've found the lines to change and it's quite simple.

1) I'm glad you were able to sort it out for yourself.

2) Thanks for the history lesson.

Sometimes religious leaders are good at sponsoring art, or architecture, or fundraising, or politicing, or promoting education, and without them many wonders wouldn't have happened. If in game terms you think that should be represented by great prophets rather than religions, I can see that.

 

[Herex]

i have checked this now, no i am sure that i have startet beyond the sword...

I'm not a mod expert AT ALL, but it seems to me, that you've put the "HISTORY IN THE MAKING" folder into the /Warlords/Mods folder instead of the /Beyond the Sword/Mods folder.

 

[Pingpong]

no i checked this now, the mod is in the right folder

 

[Grave]

PATCH v3.19d HAS BEEN RELEASED!!!!!!!!

Some pretty significant game changes have been made in this release. After having the opportunity to play several games over the past couple weeks, there were some things that have been wanting to change, and just now got around to making those changes happen.

One of the biggest changes: I didn't like how the Classical/Medieval era was spread out... so I changed that.

Then I made a few XML tweaks to just about everything under the sun, to try and make this a little more historically accurate, as well as fun to play.

Naturally, there may have been some things I overlooked, so play a few games with v3.19d and post your opinions!

Changelog for v3.19d

Spoiler :

v3.19d
- Added Multiple Derivative Civs by Gaius Octavius
- Added Show Hidden Attitude Mod by DaveMcW (currently disabled in SDK)
- Added Realistic Diplomacy Mod by Afforess
- Fixed small python bug from Better BtS AI/Unofficial Patch to v0.80 that was left out
- Barbarians can now spawn in every Era except for Ancient Era
- Adjusted frequency of HiTM added Resources (Hemp, Coffee, Tea, etc)
- Adjusted Religious commerce bonuses
- Adjusted iPower ratings for all combat units
- Adjusted Unit Build Rate for all Leaders
- Adjusted Event Memories for all Leaders
- Adjusted iPower ratings for Techs that originally have an iPower rating
- Adjusted Civics (again)
- Adjusted many Classical, Medieval, and Renaissance era Techs
- Increased Cotton’s Happiness to +2 with Plantation
- Increased Tobacco Happiness to +1 with Plantation
- Modified Resource Happiness/Health for Marketplace, Grocer, Supermarket
- Modified Resource Happiness/Health for Harbor
- Zoroastrian Fire Temple now gets +1 Happiness w/ Incense
- Zoroastrian Fire Temple now gets Double Production bonus with Incense
- The Great Wall PreReqTech is now Construction & costs 500 hammers
- Stone is now revealed with Masonry
- Incense is now revealed with Mysticism
- Reduced cost of Glass Blowing to 120 research points
- Armory PreReqTech is now Bronze Working
- The Terracotta Army gets Double Production bonus with Copper
- Smart Bombs I & Smart Bombs II promotions do extra damage to Land units
- Broadway PreReqTechs are Electricity AND Drama
- Opera House PreReqTechs are Mass Media AND Drama
- Rock n’ Roll PreReqTechs are Mass Media AND Music
- Angkor Wat now requires a State Religion instead of Hinduism
- Angkor Wat PreReqTech is now Music
- Hagia Sophia now requires a State Religion instead of Christianity
- Spiral Minaret now requires a State Relgion instead of Islam
- Shwedagon Paya now requires a State Religion instead of Buddhism
- Notre Dame now requires a State Religion instead of Christianity
- Taj Mahal now requires a State Religion instead of Hinduism
- Taj Mahal no longer requires Islamic Temple
- The Parthenon PreReqTech is now Literature
- The Status of Zeus PreReqTech is now Literature
- Temple of Artemis PreReqTech is now Literature
- Mausoleum of Maussollos PreReqTech is now Aesthetics
- University of Sankore no longer requires Islamic Temples
- Shaolin Monastery Copper Production Bonus is now 100%
- Removed Refining Technology (moved Oil and Well to Railroad)
- Aesthetics can now adjust Culture rate instead of Drama
- Olives now revealed with Glass Blowing
- Sugar now revealed with Fermentation
- Maceman PreReqTech is now Feudalism
- Armsman and Light Cavalry PreReqTech is now Machinery
- Castles PreReqTech is now Feudalism AND Construction
- Swordsman can no longer upgrade to Macemen
- Horse Archers can only upgrade to Cuirassiers & removed Trebuchet bonus
- Horsemen can only upgrade to Light Cavalry

Please see Post #2 for download info!

 

[MasterTonberry]

I have a question and a couple of problems.

Firstly, the awesome game I have been playing recently (ODDYSEE speed, PLANETARY map size, 18 Civs) has been one of my best ever. So fun. I noticed however that from the start of the game, all Aztec melee, archery and mounted units had a 'Blessed' promotion.

I could only find vague information on the promotion in the Civopedia, but I did learn that it requires 'Grave's Placeholder' which in turn requires 'Future Tech'. Is this a bug? How did the Aztecs get this promotion and what are it's effects?

Secondly, I have access to three oil sources, two on land and one on my coast with a drilling platform. All sources are improved and connected to my cities, yet none of my cities have access to oil as a resource. I messed about with the world builder a bit to test it and even gave myself every tech in the game just to see if there was something I was missing.

It seems however that I just cannot have access to oil in any way whatsoever even if I have the resource tiles properly tapped. A game destroying problem to say the least, because it means I can never build Modern Era weapons.

And lastly, I wanted to know if there is a way to remove the Victory alert that is pasted all over the screen after someone meets certain victory conditions. On the last game I played, the Inca won a cultural victory in 1348 AD while people were still just starting the Industrial era. Naturally I wanted to carry on playing the game but the huge white 'PACAL II WINS CULTURAL VICTORY!!!' font pasted all over the screen is annoying at best.

Nice work on the new patch Grave, but I wanted to run this post by you once more (in case you didn't see it). Basically the part about the Oil resouce being completely inaccessible to me, which has happened in two games so far.

The other two points are a concern of mine but not as important as the oil bug, which may just be a problem only I am having. I haven't had a chance to play the new patch yet, but figured I'd ask anyway.