[Beyond the Sword] History In The Making

We have some centralized civics that benefit the capital. I often wish for something decentralized and less burdensome, especially after a war. It leads me to confederations.

Conederations often formed historically to counter percieved military threats, and to open up trade. Cities and states would group together for individual benefit, and might leave whenever it was to their advantage. Like all governments, they are established to facilitate peace and prosperity, and when they do, they provide happiness.


The Greeks tried it. So did the Phonecians (Tyre, Carthage, etc. )
There were various confederations in Germanic Europe. Wiki even clasifies The Inca Empire as a confederation. The USA revolted as a confederation.
the American Civil War was often designated as Union vs Confederate. Some say that the EU is a federation.


Most government functions are localized with the mayors, princes, and councils( they could vary from member to member), keeping central costs low, and it's control minimal. Local government is more responsive to needs and less wastefull than central government.

Confederations were more often a commercial success ( probably due to common currency, weights and measures, and removing trade barriers) than a military one.
Hannibal had trouble getting support from Carthage. America had trouble borrowing money to fund it's revolotion. The Iraquois Confederacy split when forced to choose sides during the American Revolution . In the Civil War,
Southern state militias and the Central gov competed for resources and quarrelled over jurisdiction- the opposite of what was needed.

Either with the appearance of an ambitious leader, or gradually over time , Federations have a tendency to disband, or reform into a united nation.

I'm not sure how to express Confederation in civ terms but I'll get it started.



GOVERNMENT
Confederation

Tech- Nationhood?

Cost - low

Benefits - extra trade route or trade route bonus or free merchant specialist
- reduced or eliminated distance penalty
- possible peacetime happiness.


Drawbacks- Can't build World Wonders or projects, beakers or cash because city-states don't sacrifice for the greater good. National Wonders could still be built, because they mostly benefit their own city. Culture could still be built, to help grab nearby resources.

- possible No state religion.


It also seems to me that an uphappy city should be more likely to flip into or out of a confederation. I have doubts about implementation for this aspect.
 
Belgium, Germany and the USA are federations. If you look at them, do you think your proposal does justice :)? I still think they should be able to build wonders but have more corruption, also affecting science. Federations have an additional layer of civil service after all :).
 
Belgium, Germany and the USA are federations. If you look at them, do you think your proposal does justice :)? I still think they should be able to build wonders but have more corruption, also affecting science. Federations have an additional layer of civil service after all :).

Well, Belgium did build the Euphonium:p

Upon further consideration, and research, I should have said Confederation, instead. It's more accurate, although the terms are shady, and usage is inconsistent.

We probably have different definitions. In mine the city/state can opt out, and performs a larger share of functions for itself than does the central gov.

I don't know that much about the tax shares in Germany and Belgium. Certainly with the addition of the EU, there must be a lot of layers of civil service . I have no idea if Saxony could legally declare independence.

I think America was a Federation under The Articles of Cofederation, but not under The Constitution.
I don't think that the USA is a federation nearly as much as a union. United is the first word in the name, and I think the Civil war pretty much confirmed that no state can opt out unilateraly. Also, I don't consider the USA as a low tax central government. It takes a larger share than the states.

Hereafter- the proposal shall be known as Confederation

Now that I've clarified that, what do you think?
 
Hi!

I read the installation instruction, installed the latest patch, cleared the cache, and still I get CTD when I want to start the game. I run English on European BTS latest patch. Please help me out I have no clou, even how to find the log:eek:
 
Hi!

I read the installation instruction, installed the latest patch, cleared the cache, and still I get CTD when I want to start the game. I run English on European BTS latest patch. Please help me out I have no clou, even how to find the log:eek:

This mod is still at 3.13. That's the reason why it crashes if you've upgraded to 3.17.
 
A year later and still great!:king:
 
So any moves afoot to update this to the current BTS version? I would play it but I can't at the moment because Wolfshanze Mod Updated and I updated with it...
 
Uh not to be a bother grave put the second uu window doesn't work can you repost it or something thanks.
 
Hmmm. Lots of good ideas for an improved version of this mod has been released by several people. Why not move all development ideas to a separate post for easy reference?
 
Hmmm. Lots of good ideas for an improved version of this mod has been released by several people. Why not move all development ideas to a separate post for easy reference?
Bad idea I think. People will have to choose where to post. I don't believe there is anything wrong with this topic as it is. Just wait for the almighty Grave.
 
Hmmm. Lots of good ideas for an improved version of this mod has been released by several people. Why not move all development ideas to a separate post for easy reference?

Bad idea I think. People will have to choose where to post. I don't believe there is anything wrong with this topic as it is. Just wait for the almighty Grave.

:hammer2: Im still looking after this thread for Grave...cept I dont have any communication with him atm Im afraid...and as reported before, I don't(nor does anyone else) have his Source Code...hence no way without decompiling the whole thing (or rewriting Grave's bits from scratch) to upgrade....I'd love to start an ideas thread, would make sense...but its not at all really my thread, so I feel hesitant to ask the mods to make one....sorry........
 
How difficult is it to export some key components to the WoC standard, as components? I'm thinking about some buildings, units and such.
 
Sorry but can someone post the window of the 2uu I can't see them.
 
Thanks for the update.
 
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