BirdNES 3: When Worlds Collide

To: The Most Noble Electors of the Holy Roman Empire
From: Guillaume Budé, Maître des Requêtes to His Most Illustrious Emperor Charles of France

On behalf of my lord, I wish to draw up a suit against Phillip of Austria for breaking the most sacred and just laws of the Holy Roman Empire. To wit, in placing himself as guardian over the King of Bohemia, he has spurned the ancient laws of the land, set out by the Emperor Charles IV and followed by all just men. For these laws, in declaring the right and proper regency for an elector of the Empire states:

And such succession of the first born sons, and of the heirs of these same princes, to their right, vote and power, shall be observed in all future time; under such rule and condition, however, that if a prince elector, or his first born or eldest lay son, should happen to die leaving male, legitimate, lay heirs who are minors, then the eldest of the brothers of that elector, or of his first born son, shall be their tutor and administrator until the eldest of them shall have attained legitimate age. Which age we wish to have considered, and we decree that it shall be considered, eighteen full years in the case of prince electors; and, when they shall have attained this, the guardian shall straightway be obliged to resign to them completely, together with his office, the right, vote and power, and all that these involve.

Phillip, not being of proper lineage, has no right to act as regent of Bohemia, nor take on any rights and privileges of the same. As the laws of the land state that during the interregnum the Imperial Vicars are to rule with full imperial powers, I beseech you to judge this case as is worthy of your laws and your honor.

On behalf of my lord, I wish to draw up a suit against Maximilian Sforza of Milan, as well as against Phillip of Austria, as well as all those who support Maximilian in his unlawful usurpation of Imperial lands under the laws and governance of the Holy Roman Empire. For by all the laws of succession, Gian Sforza had the right to the ducal throne of Milan after the death of his father Galeazzo Sforza. However, these rights were usurped by Ludovico, a man with no claims to the throne. This usurper was supported in his impiety by the Kings of Austria, who worked against the laws of succession of the Holy Roman Empire. At Gian’s untimely death, killed by assassination, a most despicable crime, Gian’s rights have passed to his firstborn son, Francesco Sforza. However, these rights have been usurped by Maximilian, who holds no rights and by Phillip of Austria, disregarding all the laws of the land. We thus beseech you by the imperial powers invested unto you as the Imperial Vicars to confirm Francesco Sforza’s rights to the ducal throne of Milan. And if the usurper, who has already disregarded the laws of your land, disregard your lawful words as well, we urge you to raise an army in defense of Francesco, so that the laws of the land might be upheld.

To His Holiness, Gregory, Vicarius Christi
From: Your Most Devoted Child, Charles, Emperor

We come to you, as the least of your servants, least both in power and in holiness, seeking only that glorious and most blessed day when we, by your prayers and the prayers of all the saints, attain that most glorious reward. We ask you, not as a teacher, for we are ones ourselves in need of a teacher, but as a dearly beloved child seeking only the purity and growth of our most blessed mother, the holy church. For blasphemous men have spoken against you on account of the sale of indulgences. Now we ourselves do not question your right in this matter, as do some impious souls. Nevertheless, all men recognize how the sale of indulgences, though for a holy task, has brought harm on some poor souls and cause others to blaspheme the church. Now what need do you have for these sales? Have not I been blessed of God with great wealth? Are there not other mighty princes blessed likewise? For all men know of the piety of the King of Spain, who, we are sure, would generously give of his wealth if asked by you. And I know many other princes likewise would do the same. If you have need of money do you not just need to ask it of us? Therefore we beg of you to cease the sale of indulgences so that the impious men have no grounds to speak ill of the source of their salvation. And if you have any need of money come to us, for what we hold we have been given by God and so will generously return it to him as he needs.

If we have spoken wrongly, do not be wroth with us, but gently reprove us as a beloved son. But if we have spoken with some wisdom, give glory to God who has provided us with teachers large in wisdom and piety. And pray for us, we beseech you, that we might rule in wisdom and piety, just as Solomon reigned and was blessed by God. Our dearly beloved wife, and all our court ask the same of you, for we esteem your prayers more than all the riches of the world.
 
Milarqui said:
Ohhh, things get interesting. Loads of money to spend...

To: Kings Juan of Spain and Henry of England
From: King João II of Portugal

My brothers, we have heard of your discussion regarding England's and Scotland's recent presence in the continent where New Spain was established, and we wish to say something.

We know that King Henry has decided to establish a colony north of New Spain, and that Scotland has established a colony in one of the islands that were recently discovered by my navies. However, none of them have any place in this continent, for the Pope gave Spain and Portugal (and only Spain and Portugal) the blessing to bring civilization and Christianity to the new continent, through a treaty that established a line, going across the Cape Verde Archipelago: from Cape Verde to the North, the new continent belonged to Spain; from Cape Verde to the South, to Portugal.

Maybe you missed this treaty due to your youth, but let me tell you that it is very much real, and that indeed the Holy Father, as His representative on Earth, indeed gave both Portugal and Spain lordship over the new lands that were discovered by Bartolomeu Dias and Cristobal Colón so many years ago.

So please, let this matter go, and acquiesce to the wishes of God that only Spain and Portugal civilize the new continents.

OOC: Yes, there wasn't a Treaty of Tordesillas, which delimited the limits of Spain's and Portugal's spheres of influence in the rest of the world from a line placed 370 miles west of Cape Verde. But in here, Spain and Portugal brokered other treaty, that only talked about the New World, so we win here.
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OOC: please link to treaty- i don't see it anywhere and i looked.
 
BananaLee said:
To: Spain, Portugal, the World

From:
His Holiness Il Papa Gregorius XIII,
Episcopus Romanus et Vicarius Christi, Successor Principis Apostolorum, Summus Pontifex Ecclesiae Universalis, Patriarcha Occidentis, Primas Italiae.

On the Division of New Spain and Diascia

The representatives have discussed and presented their cases and as the Vicar of Christ, We have come to a final judgement regarding the situation of the newly discovered lands across the Atlantic.

We acknowledge that we still do not know enough about the new lands to make a complete and binding judgement regarding the new lands of New Spain and Diascia.

We also assume New Spain and Diascia to be a similar landmass for the purposes of division.

As a result, the boundary of New Spain and Diascia shall be placed that 16°N, or the line at the centre of the Cape Verde Islands, with New Spain comprising all land to the north and Diascia comprising all land to the South.

This judgement shall be reviewed when more is known about these lands as well as the idioneitas (suitability) of each of the Catholic kingdoms of Spain and Portugal to spread Christendom into the New World.

This is the judgement of God's Representative on Earth.

In nomine Patris, et Filie, et Spiritus Sancti
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His Holiness the Pope,

In Christ's name, we ask that you illuminate the world on whether you intend to make this non-binding treaty official, or if you wish to discuss other options.

Your servant, King Henry


OOC: Until i hear from the pope, i think i'll just let this matter rest. Sorry to spam this thread.
 
Addressed to Charles, Most Christian King of France, and also Copied to the noble Electors of the Holy Roman Empire
From Agostino Barbarigo, Doge of Venice

We have beheld your Maitre des Requetes's words to the noble Electors of the Holy Roman Empire, and we see so many errors in the reasoning of your letter that we can scarcely believe it comes from the palace of such a noble, just, and educated king with such a founding in the Law of the Empire and of Europe, let alone contemplate the impossibility that this letter was sent with the consent of your Majesty. For behold, not only is the spirit of the letter much alien to the honour of Kings, to cast aspersions on the legality of the action of one of the foremost princes in Christendom immediately before an election, but it is also untrue.

For the King of Bohemia is not a Prince-Elector of the Holy Roman Empire but an elected monarch, invested with the Crown of St Wenceslaus by the power of the Estates of Bohemia. The Crown is not passed down in accordance with Salic law as in the other electorates of the Empire, for the King of Bohemia is not a mere aristocrat of the Empire but a sovereign King of a Kingdom that is for most purposes outside the Empire, which is why he bears the royal title. For never does the King of Bohemia sit in the Electoral College except at time of elections, where he casts the seventh vote as an independent King and not as a Prince. Just as the succession customs of Bohemia differ, just so do the laws governing regencies in the Holy Roman Empire not apply in Bohemia.

Furthermore, we must remind you, then, for we have no doubt that you know this even if your Maitre de Requets does not, that it is not the whole electoral college that acts as Imperial Vicars, but that, on the contrary, there are only two Imperial Vicars, namely the Count Palatine of the Rhine, presiding over southern Germany for the length of the Interregnum, and the Count Palatine, also known as Duke, of Saxony, presiding over northern Germany for the length of the Interregnum, while neither presides over Italy, for the Princes of Italy administer themselves satisfactorily and act independently of the Empire in this matter. Besides, the Imperial constitution favours settling disputes during the reigns of Emperors, and it would be quite an unconstitutional abuse of the powers of the Electors, if, instead of setting to voting for the Emperor at once, they spent time adjudicating the matter of Northern Italy.

In any case, not even the Emperor has the power or authority to definitively settle the dispute over the sovereignty of a principality of the Empire. If you would not accept the Emperor Maximilian's assertion that the rightful Duke of Milan was Ludovico Sforza, how could you now accept a decree by those who hold the Imperial power at present that said the contrary? A full Imperial Diet would be necessary to settle the issue, especially when the new Emperor is likely to have a very vested interest in the issue at stake.

Therefore, we urge you, most Christian King, to settle your dispute over Milan with the new Emperor after the election, rather than submitting the arbitration of the issue, most unconstitutionally, to the Electors of the Holy Roman Empire. Neither the Signoria nor the Doge of Venice will accept such an unconstitutional settling of the issue of Milan, and we urge you to have peace in Italy at least until after the Election. We have no doubt that your world-renowned judgement and prudence in the matter will allow you to see the error of your Maitre de Requetes's words, and to stay your noble mind from erring in your interpretation of the laws of the Holy Roman Empire and the constitution of the Kingdom of Bohemia.
 
From Alfonso II, Most Serene King of Naples and Jerusalem
To The Most Noble Electors of the Holy Roman Empire
CC: Philip of Austria, Agostino Barbarigo Doge of Venice

Francesco Sforza, son of Gian Sforza, is the true heir to the throne of Milan. Maximilian has usurped the throne that would, through the law of succession, should have rightfully belong to Franesco Sforza. I will support my brother Charles of France, defender of the weak, in this matter for he has endevoured to guard Genoa, and now Milan, against the foreign occupation of Austria. Should the Electors of the Holy Roman Empire choose to, in their wisdom, convene an Imperial Diet on the matter, then it would avoid much bloodshed. I pray that this matter is resolved through peaceful means.
 
To: King Henry VIII of England and King James IV of Scotland
From: King João II of Portugal and King Juan I of Spain

Upon reviewing several maps, and having our foremost sages read the original treaty of Olivença*, all of them have coincided: the treaty, approved and blessed by the Pope, in no way allows nations other than Portugal or Spain to settle and place colonies in either Columbia, Diascia or any other islands that are between both continents.
Thus, the presence of the colonies named Fort Henry and Nova Scotia are illegal not only under the treaty, but under the eyes of God our Lord, who, through His representative on Earth Papa Gregorius XIII, gave both Portugal and Spain - and only Portugal and Spain - the task of bringing civilization and Christianity to the New World, and ownership over those lands so that we may do so.
As such, the Kingdoms of Portugal and Spain are the rightful owners of all lands in both the continents of Columbia and Diascia, and all islands between them.
Thus, both of us present the following ultimatum:
- That England completely vacates the land where the currently named Fort Henry colony stands, or turns said place over to Spanish control.
- That Scotland completely vacates the land where the currently named Nova Scotia colony stands, or turns said place over to Spanish control.
- And that both things are done before the end of the Year of Our Lord of 1521.
Should either Fort Henry or Nova Scotia still be under English or Scottish control, or not vacated, on the date January 1st of the Year of Our Lord 1521, both Portugal and Spain will be forced to declare just war against England and/or Scotland, take over those colonies by force and give them to their rightful owner, the King of Spain, in whose lands both colonies stand.
Failure to comply may also result in other measures being taken.

Signed,
King João II of Portugal
King Juan I of Spain

*OOC: the treaty that divided the New World between Portugal and Spain, with the blessing from the Pope
 
If neither Scotland or England have agreed to the ultimatum by midnight tonight, war will be declared by the Kingdom of Spain.
 
Luckymoose said:
If neither Scotland or England have agreed to the ultimatum by midnight tonight, war will be declared by the Kingdom of Spain.
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To: King João II of Portugal and King Juan I of Spain
From: King Henry VIII of England

I cannot speak for the Scots or any other good Christian kingdom, but

1) we believe that the treaty you have written in league with the Pope is not binding because:
On the Division of New Spain and Diascia

We acknowledge that we still do not know enough about the new lands to make a complete and binding judgment regarding the new lands of New Spain and Diascia.
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it acknowledges its own non-binding nature.


furthermore,

On the Division of New Spain and Diascia

This judgement shall be reviewed when more is known about these lands as well as the idioneitas (suitability) of each of the Catholic kingdoms of Spain and Portugal to spread Christendom into the New World.
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you have thusfar been unable to deliver the natives to Christendom
Birdjaguar said:
Captain’s TaleTrade with the heathens was improving, but few were converting to the Truth of Jesus and the Bible.
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and so the treaty is not binding because it calls for its own review in light of your failure in delivering souls to God.


2) If you were truly a servant of God, you would not want to declare war upon another Christian people but to work alongside them, as friends and allies, in delivering the message of Christ. We, King Henry, cannot help but see the hypocrisy of your intentions hanging on your lips like venom from a viper's fang when you speak of your holy mission in one breath and in the next threaten war against us.


3) We will wait for the Pope to speak- even if we must wait for your deadline to pass. And if your deadline passes and you declare war upon us, then may God have mercy upon all our souls- War is not an event we would have ever wanted to transpire.
 
Yes, I'm working n the last nation now.
 
TO: Henry VIII, 'King' of England
FROM: Juan I, King of Spain and Navarre, Prince of Algiers

Your misreading of the original texts of the treaty are not inherently false. However, your views of the treaty are still not correct. We have actively converted the natives of this New World to the message of Christ. What have you done, Henry, to prove your worth as a Christian king? Have you fought the Islamic threat out of Europe and pushed them back in North Africa? Have you donated, most loyally, to the Holy Father year after year? Have you fed your subjects with free bread and wine in the name of our Lord? You are a blasphemous thief, attempting to steal all that is appointed to me and my brother Joao by our father, representative to our Lord.
 
To: France, the HRE Electors
From: Philip, Archduke of Austria, Duke of Burgundy, Regent of Bohemia, Margrave of Moravia, etc.

We are puzzled as to why the noble King of France has chosen this moment to wrongly declare the actions of the late Emperor in taking on the regency of Bohemia. Although the regency of Bohemia by my father, and subsequently myself, is completely legal, as the Doge of Venice has pointed out, France has made no complaint in the past, even when the treaty was first signed. I wonder whether the vicious words of the most noble Charles have been made in an attempt to besmirch the glorious name of Hapsburg shortly before the election, thus attempting to gain the title of Holy Roman Emperor for himself. I pray that this is not the case, as that would surely stain the reputation of Charles, who in the past I have respected as a just, kind, and faithful King.

In regards to the Duchy of Milan, we echo the words of the Doge in stating that it is not the place of either Imperial Vicar to settle any disputes in Milan. And in any case, any judgments they did pass would require the ratification of the next Emperor. Nor would it be wise to delay the election of the new Emperor, a matter of utmost importance, to settle a territorial dispute in Italy.

However, the matter of Milan is not one to be decided through Imperial intervention. The rise of Maximilian to the throne of Milan has brought peace and prosperity to all of Italy. Both the people of Milan and Genoa rejoice at the end of war, and I am sure that the Dorians, and the rest of the Italian states, have no wish to see a return to war in the Italian peninsula after almost 20 years of bloodshed. We see no reason for France and Naples to return war to Italy by attempting to raise Francesco, son of a man who abandoned Milan and attempted to make war on his own people by using the Genoans, to the throne of Milan. Austria will assist Milan in resisting your attempts to play king-maker in Italy and further plunge the area into a war that will benefit no one. Should it come to war, we are willing to uphold Maximilian's rule, although we pray that cooler heads may prevail in the courts of Paris and Naples.

To: Spain, Portugal, Scotland, and England
From: Philip Hapsburg

We beseech you all to avoid the urge to squabble over pitiful amounts of land in the New World. Now is a joyful time for all of Christianity, with the vile Turks on the run in the Balkans, and the vast lands of the New World open to conversion. Surely it is against the will of god for Christians to fight amongst each other during such a time. We suggest that instead of making rash decisions, the noble kings involved instead wait for the counsel of His Holiness. For it seems to me that the treaty cited was meant by the Pope to be revised in the future, and considering New Spain and Diascia and indeed not one landmass as originally believed, it is questionable whether the terms drawn out still apply. Therefore, we believe that the wisest course would be to await word from Rome on their thoughts on the matter.

I have no wish to anger any of the involved parties by this message, only to prevent the spilling of Christian blood by fellow Christians.
 
TO: Philip Hapsburg, Archduke of Austria
FROM: Juan I, King of Spain and Navarre, Prince of Algiers

I concur with your views on Christian brotherhood, but must remind you that His Holiness did view this new world as Spanish and Portuguese, not English. Having the Holy See speak now on the issue would be most wise on our parts, before leading ourselves off to war over what is rightfully Spanish lands. It was during my father's reign that this new world was found, on great Christian ideals we strive to convert and bring peace to the world. Spain is God's messenger of faith to these heathens and Austrian support in this matter would be welcomed. Have we not been good Christians as ye? Faithful to Roma and our Lord, and fighting Muslims alongside our brothers in Austria? We both have seen great victories for our creed, and our fathers lead them all. We are brothers in cross and shield, defenders of our faith both on the battlefield and off. Your piety has given me reason to postpone my decisions for war until Gregorious may make his verdict on the New World.


@BirdJaguar: is Littleboots still playing?
 
Stats are up for all the rest. Let me know if you see problems. the House of Lee had a grand year with its investments.
 
Must be a technical problem; call tech support Rajish Randy is waiting to serve you.
 
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