BirdNES 3: When Worlds Collide

[spryllino]

Should my cries for a truce be ignored, I am of course open to compromises suggested by any party that might end conflict in Italy.

To Charles, Most Christian King of France, and Philip, Archduke of Austria, and to both claimants to the Duchy of Milan
From Agostino Barbarigo, Doge of Venice

We address your excellent persons with confidence, sires, that you will see the sense in our words and, inspired by your own virtuous personalities, agree to come to a compromise on behalf of your rival Dukes of Milan. For peace is the higher virtue in this case. Venice is not content to see fighting continue in Northern Italy; we have proposed a truce already, but noble Charles, you seem unwilling to accept this.

Therefore, why should either of you not compromise on this issue? Surely wealth can be found adequate to compensate both claimants for the loss of half of their territory, if this were necessary? But on the contrary, it is not, for you are reasonable and peaceable men, and so we suggest that, perhaps, Francesco Sforza might be content with setting up court at Pavia, or, indeed, at Parma or at Piacenza or any one of the many towns of the Milanese, with ample territory amounting to a substantial part of the Duchy, while Maximilian Sforza might be content with the rest of the Milanese, with a court at Milan itself? Does this not satisfy both sons? After all, remember that primogeniture is not a firmly set and established rule; many a land has been partitioned successfully and profitably for both sons. Therefore, we urge you to consider this proposal carefully as one that allows for both dynastic and strategic interests in the region.

 

[Agent 89]

To Charles, Most Christian King of France, and Philip, Archduke of Austria, and to both claimants to the Duchy of Milan
From Agostino Barbarigo, Doge of Venice

We address your excellent persons with confidence, sires, that you will see the sense in our words and, inspired by your own virtuous personalities, agree to come to a compromise on behalf of your rival Dukes of Milan. For peace is the higher virtue in this case. Venice is not content to see fighting continue in Northern Italy; we have proposed a truce already, but noble Charles, you seem unwilling to accept this.

Therefore, why should either of you not compromise on this issue? Surely wealth can be found adequate to compensate both claimants for the loss of half of their territory, if this were necessary? But on the contrary, it is not, for you are reasonable and peaceable men, and so we suggest that, perhaps, Francesco Sforza might be content with setting up court at Pavia, or, indeed, at Parma or at Piacenza or any one of the many towns of the Milanese, with ample territory amounting to a substantial part of the Duchy, while Maximilian Sforza might be content with the rest of the Milanese, with a court at Milan itself? Does this not satisfy both sons? After all, remember that primogeniture is not a firmly set and established rule; many a land has been partitioned successfully and profitably for both sons. Therefore, we urge you to consider this proposal carefully as one that allows for both dynastic and strategic interests in the region.

To: France, Venice, Milan, Francesco Sforza
From: Philip, Archduke of Austria

I have prayed for nothing more than the God lord to bring peace to the Italian peninsula, and I believe that that peace has been brought to us in the form of the compromise suggested by the noble Doge of Venice. I have done my utmost to prevent the spilling of Christian blood by Christians in Italy, and thus am willing to fully accept the compromise laid out above. at the same time, I urge both Maximilian and Francesco to accept this as well. As I have stated before, it would be a great sin to continue fighting in Italy now that peace has been achieved after decades of bloodshed.

 

[Luckymoose]

To the Holy See, His Holiness, Pope Gregorious XIII,
From King Henry VIII of England,

This is the way of Spanish piety, unapologetic bribes of land and military alliances, support for political positions. You see no greater evidence of the moral bankruptcy of the Iberians then this. The King of Spain buys French opinion with land and alliances.

When the Kings of Spain and Portugal claim they are most pious, that they do your will in the new world, i see no evidence thereof. I see commercial trading posts, gold and silver, timber and tobacco enriching the coffers of the Iberians.

Indeed, i have heard of not a single great work of Christianity in the New World.

I do not argue that the Spanish or Portuguese did not sign an agreement with your predecessor, merely that they have not lived up to their expectations, namely,



It is time to review the judgement.

Does a general send two hundred soldiers to fight the enemy when seven hundred are ready to fight and die for his cause? And if he does, why? Is it because these two hundred are richest? Are best able to spin a political web to entrap the other five-hundred?

Send the soldiers of Christ to the New World. ALL OF THEM.

TO: Henry VIII, King of England
FROM: Juan I, King of Spain and Navarre, Prince of Algiers

How sad a story this has become, the majestic king of England has fallen to such lows over a squabble. Come to Spain and see what my riches build! Grand churches for the people to worship the one true faith, free bread for the poor among other selfless expenses. I am not you Henry, who will use the income from the new world to toy around with the wealthy and hold fancy balls for the elite. I am a man of my faith, as my father and mother before me, and I spend what I earn through hard work and determination in a fashion that helps all Christians beneath the gaze of our Lord above.

 

[Kentharu]

From Alfonso II, Most Serene King of Naples and Jerusalem
To Philip of Austria

While I applaud your crusade against the heathen Turks, it grants no credence to your arguments. A man who, while putting out a fire, also murders an innocent, cannot be said to be a just man in the eyes of the Lord. As it is now, you would seek to fight the Turks, while murdering your own Christian brethern? It is you, Philip of Austria, who stands in the way of peace. It is you, through greed, seek to stop the rightful heir to the throne of Milan, Francesco Sforza. You rob the people of Milan of peace every moment you continue this farce. There can be no peace until justice is had for the people of Milan, no truce until Francesco Sforza assumes his birthright, which you have so maliciously robbed him of.

 

[Blackbard]

Hello everyone! I am being added as Safavid. I will be available for PM's and will be reading as much as I can to get myself current with the state of affairs in this great looking NES.
Cheers, Bard

 

[germanicus12]

To Esteemed Royals of Europe
From Maximilian Sforza, Duke of Milan

My late father just before he tragically jumped to his death he informed me that he had every intention of turning over the throne to the rightful ruler of Milan, but before he could Gian Sforza disappeared from Milan. My father has sent an army in search for him fearing that he had been kidnapped or worse, killed. When it was eventually discovered that Gian Sforza solicited other European powers for assistance in taking the throne, that was rightfully his in the first place. Had he only discussed this matter privately this whole issue would have been moot. My late father had planned out what would have been Milan's greatest party just for the transfer of power. Instead Milan found itself preparing for war.

While I myself do not know the whole story behind these events as both men are now dead, but my advisers inform me that because Gian Sforza was declared a traitor of Milan for his betrayal his son therefore has no legitimate claim to the throne, but against the wishes of my advisers I am willing to offer Francesco a position in the Milanese government should he accept it.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Welcome to BirdNES

 

[Agent 89]

To Alfonso of Naples
From: Philip of Austria

It is not I but you who rob Italy of peace, as even the blindest of beggars could see. The people of Milan rejoice in the streets at the onset of peace, celebrating the rule of Maximilian and the end of war. In Genoa, men return from the battlefield and celebrate with their families, content with things the way they are. The only protests to bring Francesco to the throne come from Naples, from your court. For years the men of Italy have been shedding each others blood, and now that peace, the one thing they pray for with all their hearts, is within their grasp, you Alfonso, who have sat by the way-side all these years, seek to tear it away from them. You have been offered the fairest of compromises, and yet you refuse, content to let the people of Italy suffer out of your greed and longingness for a vassal to control in northern Italy.

I beseech you, in the name of peace, to free your vision of the greed that clouds it, and to see the fairness of the compromise offered.

 

[Kentharu]

From Alfonso II, Most Serene King of Naples and Jerusalem
To Maximillian Sforza

I thank you for putting this matter to rest. Gian Sforza was indeed the rightful heir to the throne of Milan before he was murdered by Philip of Austria. Thus his son, Francesco Sforza shall be crowned Duke of Milan shortly.

To Francesco Sforza, Duke of Milan

My Lord Duke, I congradulate you on your coming coronation and shall send my own son to attend in my stead at this joyous occasion.

To Philip of Austria

As you can see Maximillian Sforza has freely admitted that Gian was indeed the rightful heir to the throne, and thus Francesco Sforza, his first born son shall be crowned Duke of Milan. I thank Austria greatly for her patience in the matter and am truly pleased that further bloodshed could be avoided.

 

[germanicus12]

To Alfonso II, Most Serene King of Naples and Jerusalem
From Maximilian Sforza, Duke of Milan

Perhaps you misunderstand our words... even though we speak the same language I can understand that southerners can have a difficult time understanding us northerners therefore I will speak in more clearer phrases:

Gian Sforza was declared a traitor of Milan, therefore his claim to the throne and all succeeding claims through his blood line are illegitimate due to Gian Sforza's illegal actions against Milan.

If you cannot understand this simple phrase then I fear Naples may be more backwater than I expected. While Francesco may believe he still has claim, bless his heart, the current government says he has no claim to the throne and we will continue to reinforce this claim for as long as it takes if it ensures peace and stability in the region. Francesco is welcome to join our government in some sort of capacity, I am sure we can find something for him.

Why doesn't Francesco speak for himself? Must we continue to hear Alfonso speak? Is Francesco illiterate or mute?

 

[Shadowbound]

Hans of Denmark
To the Princes of Europe

(Ezekiel 18:20) - "The person who sins will die. The son will not bear the punishment for the father’s iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son’s iniquity; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself."

So says the Holy Bible, and, whatever the accusations brought against his father, Francesco Sforza has been confirmed in his right to the Dukedom of Milan.

 

[Prinny]

May I play as the Teutonic Order?

 

[LittleBoots]

@Bird - Out of curiosity, did my income already come from indulgences? The update says we had to sell many indulgences, but I didn't order any such thing and I didn't outspend my treasury, so I'm confused as to why the Vatican's economic structure had to change if the spending didn't change. Or maybe I'm remembering something incorrectly. Enlightenment?

EDIT: PM Diplo away. Longer responses in thread after I work a few things out. Let me know if you feel like your diplo went unanswered/got skipped.

 

[Birdjaguar]

LB, I will look into your stats tonight when i get home, I don't have that spreadsheet at work.

As I see it the New world diplo is important as well as anything you want to say about the upcoming election of HRE. Italy would be third.

Welcome Pinny; you've chosen a tough nation. Read the rules an ask questions.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Orders for Turn 7: 1521-1525

They can come any time, but those involved in the election of the HRE may wait until after that election.

New Players: Please read the section on page 1 about orders and the format to use. You may ignore the bit about stories though. Post them in thread if you have them. Include current stats with your orders; it makes my life much easier if they are there.

All Players: please include the age of your ruler on December 31,1525. I will add this as a stat for future updates. That way we can all anticipate changes....

I will begin to update stats on the 17-18th. Orders received by Jan 15 will get a prize TBD later.

 

[Milarqui]

@LittleBoots: Immaculate, Luckymoose and I REALLY need you to state who is right in the whole deal with the New World. My orders depend on who you rule in favour of, as well as Immaculate's answer.

 

[nutranurse]

Bird, I've decided on a nation and I'd like to claim Brandenburg. Questions and diplomacy will come later today!

 

[Matt0088]

EDIT: PM Diplo away. Longer responses in thread after I work a few things out. Let me know if you feel like your diplo went unanswered/got skipped.

While you didn't specifically address my PM to you, you did reply to me in one of Immac's PMs, however, I believe that since my diplo addresses the whole problem, you may be waiting to answer it, and everything else, in the thread later, right?

Also, Bird, once LB is able to resolve this mess, I'd hope to be able to send orders soon after.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Bird, I've decided on a nation and I'd like to claim Brandenburg. Questions and diplomacy will come later today!

Welcome.

 

[Birdjaguar]

While you didn't specifically address my PM to you, you did reply to me in one of Immac's PMs, however, I believe that since my diplo addresses the whole problem, you may be waiting to answer it, and everything else, in the thread later, right?

Also, Bird, once LB is able to resolve this mess, I'd hope to be able to send orders soon after.

@LittleBoots: Please let me know the ins and outs of what is going on with the New World issues.

@Matt0088: Get your orders in when you can and don't worry the timing.