BlaDipNES - A Fresh Start

[TheBladeRoden]

What's the syntax error with my orders?

I wouldn't know since you have yet to submit any

 

[TheBladeRoden]

Results for Spring, 2002 (Movement)

Assault on Lower Echelon Powers grinds to a halt​

Supported by its new EOMEIMF, Dover, the Carthaginian fleets expected a an easy landing on the Gascony coast, but were caught off guard by the hastily constructed Spanish batteries. Hannibal got a few shots back from his incendiary onagers before deciding to regroup and form a new strategy.

Likewise, the 1337 Ascendancy made one last push to the front lines, then consigned to a scorched earth policy for defense by surrounding its lands with a giant firewall.

The UBP may continue pressing its advantage of numbers, or it may be forced to turn its attention to the Italians sneaking up from behind.

Vikings attempt to build Economic Centers on the seas, neighboring powers lax guard​

Having moved their forces away from some of their largest population centers, Dover and Finland left their respective cities of London and St. Petersburg at risk from the Vikings' own special flavor of illegal immigration. But the Vikings never came. Lacking timely orders from their warlord (hint hint), fleets spent the spring contructing wooden cities on the water. But disaster struck when the cities were assaulted by Dennis Hopper and a guy with a double-bladed chainsaw respectively.

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General Notices:
No retreating units; retreat phase skipped.
Order resolution completed on 13-May-2007 at 21:55:52 CDT

Order Results:

Carthage:
No order for unit at Naples. Hold order assigned.

Carthage: F mao -> gas
Bounced with par (2 against 1).
Carthage: F nap Holds
Carthage: F naf -> tun
Carthage: F spa/sc -> mar
Bounced with mar (1 against 1).

Dover:
Dover: A bel Supports A lon -> pic
Dover: F bre Supports F mao -> gas
Dover: F eng Convoys A lon -> pic
Dover: A lon -> pic
Convoy path taken: lon→eng→pic.

FinnishEmpire:
FinnishEmpire: F bot -> bal
FinnishEmpire: A nwy Holds
FinnishEmpire: A stp -> mos
FinnishEmpire: F swe -> ska

NorthItalianEmp:
NorthItalianEmp: A rom Holds
NorthItalianEmp: F tus -> tys
Failed because NorthItalianEmp: F tys -> ion failed.
NorthItalianEmp: F tys -> ion
Bounced with gre (1 against 1).
NorthItalianEmp: A ven -> tri
NorthItalianEmp: A vie -> boh

SpanishEmpire:
No order for unit at Marseilles. Hold order assigned.

SpanishEmpire: A bur Supports A par -> gas
SpanishEmpire: F mar Holds
SpanishEmpire: A par -> gas
Bounced with mao (2 against 1).

UBP:
UBP: A bul Holds
UBP: F gre -> ion
Bounced with tys (1 against 1).
UBP: F rum -> bla
Bounced with con (1 against 1).
UBP: A sev -> arm
Bounced with bla (1 against 1).

Vikings:
No order for unit at Berlin. Hold order assigned.
No order for unit at North Sea. Hold order assigned.

Vikings: F bar -> nwy
Bounced with nwy (1 against 1).
Vikings: F ber Holds
Vikings: F nth Holds

leetAscendancy:
leetAscendancy: W bla -> arm
Bounced with sev (1 against 1).
leetAscendancy: F con -> bla
Bounced with rum (1 against 1).

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Red Flags

Carthage: F nap s (Ita) F tys-ion
Province ita not recognized.

(Hey, at least I warned you this time)

Vikings: 2 Units were NMR'd from lateness.

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Spoiler Spring 2002 Moves :

Spoiler Spring 2002 Move Results :

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Next Orders Due: WedNESday 7:00PM EST

 

[Lord_Iggy]

F***!

You could have said that you'd started the update, and I wouldn't have sent. I was effing away for all of this turn, and just got home today.

 

[human-slaughter]

Carthage: F nap s (Ita) F tys-ion
Province ita not recognized.

You have got to be freaking kidding me right? jdip is not supposed to do all the work for you it is an unintelligent program. Anyone can agree that this move is a legitamit move. He is saying whos unit he is supporting. Everyone has learned how to format Diplomacy orders differently. If you wanted them in a certain format you NEED TO LET US KNOW BEFOREHAND. This is utterly ridiculous.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

And I did send orders!

 

[LightFang]

Carthage: F nap s (Ita) F tys-ion
Province ita not recognized.

You have got to be freaking kidding me right? jdip is not supposed to do all the work for you it is an unintelligent program. Anyone can agree that this move is a legitamit move. He is saying whos unit he is supporting. Everyone has learned how to format Diplomacy orders differently. If you wanted them in a certain format you NEED TO LET US KNOW BEFOREHAND. This is utterly ridiculous.

Actually, I thought that (Ita) was a province to. Boohoo, it's non standard. :E

You don't need to specify which nation the fleet belongs to, there can only be one army/fleet per province.

 

[human-slaughter]

Actually, I thought that (Ita) was a province to. Boohoo, it's non standard. :E

You don't need to specify which nation the fleet belongs to, there can only be one army/fleet per province.

You're kidding right? Standard? what would standard be anyway huh? Hmm maybe we should consult the rulebook shown on the first page.....Now lets see here oh yes here it is rules writing. Standard order format hmm not here oh maybe this is more like it. "The only orders that should not be accepted are those that are illegal and/or ambiguous..." *I cant remeber the quote and Im not about to go type it word for word*.

This is not a matter of if it is the same as Jdips format it is a matter of this order was perfectly non ambiguous and the only reason you dont like is because it threatens you LF. If this affected you in a positive way you would be on my side of the argument so fast....

oh and LF ita isnt even a freaking province on the map.

TBR Im asking you to cange this. It is obvious what the order was saying and many different people format their orders differently if it said s (ita) maybe it would be different but it was more indepth of a order than the jdip format.

 

[TheBladeRoden]

And I did send orders!

Different than the orders sent on May 13, 2007 09:48 PM CST?

 

[LightFang]

You're kidding right? Standard? what would standard be anyway huh? Hmm maybe we should consult the rulebook shown on the first page.....Now lets see here oh yes here it is rules writing. Standard order format hmm not here oh maybe this is more like it. "The only orders that should not be accepted are those that are illegal and/or ambiguous..." *I cant remeber the quote and Im not about to go type it word for word*.

This is not a matter of if it is the same as Jdips format it is a matter of this order was perfectly non ambiguous and the only reason you dont like is because it threatens you LF. If this affected you in a positive way you would be on my side of the argument so fast....

oh and LF ita isnt even a freaking province on the map.

TBR Im asking you to cange this. It is obvious what the order was saying and many different people format their orders differently if it said s (ita) maybe it would be different but it was more indepth of a order than the jdip format.

First off: I didn't know. What I did when I looked at the map was look, see that I blocked Foozicaba, and then skimmed through the comments and the rest of the map. I actually had (and would still have) no idea what that move would have done to me. I'm very fair when it comes to Diplomacy.

And, just to be contrary: What about, under pressure, somebody writes F(Nth)-Nth to signify a hold? What then? I'm pretty sure he gets dislodged due to, well, stupidity. In jDip, this would work for him, because he'd hold.

Second off: I know Ita isn't a province, that's what I said. I thought (Ita) was a province due to the way the orders were written. :E

 

[human-slaughter]

First off: I didn't know. What I did when I looked at the map was look, see that I blocked Foozicaba, and then skimmed through the comments and the rest of the map. I actually had (and would still have) no idea what that move would have done to me. I'm very fair when it comes to Diplomacy.

And, just to be contrary: What about, under pressure, somebody writes F(Nth)-Nth to signify a hold? What then? I'm pretty sure he gets dislodged due to, well, stupidity. In jDip, this would work for him, because he'd hold.

Second off: I know Ita isn't a province, that's what I said. I thought (Ita) was a province due to the way the orders were written. :E

I believe it is debateable that you did not know. If you did not know why did you so quickly defend the nmr. And the boohoo comment leads me to believe differently mister LF.

I am not supporting either strict readings or straight jdip copies and pastes. I am supporting COMMON SENSE. Common sense would allow a F Nth - Nth be a hold and would save a whole lot of problems.

To the Final comment: you seriously thought the (ita) was a territory. Many people write what nation they are supporting. Niklas does it and I do it and I learned it from Sheep who has been playing the game for longer than you probably have been alive (given the fact that you are in High School).

I stand by my comment that you want to have this stand as is because it is detrimental to you.

 

[TheBladeRoden]

Alright, since no one really got hurt from this turn, I think I shalln't redo it.

But I will in the future be more user-specific about my pre-resolution warnings. (even though I did post the warning within a half-hour of Niklas sending his orders, so I thought he would catch it)

 

[human-slaughter]

Edit: Deleted

 

[LightFang]

I believe it is debateable that you did not know. If you did not know why did you so quickly defend the nmr. And the boohoo comment leads me to believe differently mister LF.

I am not supporting either strict readings or straight jdip copies and pastes. I am supporting COMMON SENSE. Common sense would allow a F Nth - Nth be a hold and would save a whole lot of problems.

To the Final comment: you seriously thought the (ita) was a territory. Many people write what nation they are supporting. Niklas does it and I do it and I learned it from Sheep who has been playing the game for longer than you probably have been alive (given the fact that you are in High School).

I stand by my comment that you want to have this stand as is because it is detrimental to you.

So how come I'm telling the truth when I said that I thought "Ita" was supposed to be a territory, but I'm lying when I said that I didn't know what would happen? Double standard? The way it was written looked like a bloody province. I didn't say that I thought it was a province; I said that I thought it looked like a province. :E

Plus, this version of jDip is modded. (Ita) would make sense if there were a "Italy", but there's "Northern Italian Empire", which could have a completely different abbreviation. If there's any doubt, write it out!

Oh, and I did read the rules, and I don't think I saw people writing country names out in front anywhere in there.
http://www.diplomacy-archive.com/resources/rulebooks/2000AH4th.pdf

It's nice to see that my youth gets used against me, time and time again. It does not matter if I'm young as long as I'm right, and this is in fact completely debatable.

BUT ANYWAY, now that I've figured out what it actually would have done, I say, go for it. It's not like it matters anymore. If you're going to jump on me just because I chose to be a tad pedantic and side with the GM, sure, but honestly, I don't like getting my head bitten off for choosing to enjoy strict order syntaxes and such. :E

I mean, you know, MjM's weird order set, oh, I don't know,

A(Tri) S A(Ser) for example.

I mean, what's that supposed to mean? I would interpret that as A(Tri) S A(Ser) H

Now, if A(Ser)-Bud were to occur, then he could just say "Well, doesn't it make sense that I would support it wherever it was going?! Sheesh, common sense, man!"

But anyway I'm done, I guess I'm too young to know what I'm talking about. It's all moot anyway, since I'm dead.

 

[human-slaughter]

1. I wasnt useing you age against you I was useing it to make a point.
2. I still think you knew what was going on.
3. This problem is WAAAAAY different from Mjm's orders. Not only did Niklas add in the destination but added who exactly he was supporting. the (ita) Italian fleet. And I do agree with you on the fact that Mjm's orders were to ambiguous. Niklas' however were not.
4. In a previous post you said you thought that (ita) was a province because of the format. That is different from knowing what a fleet in ion would do to you.
5. The rulebook does show a certain type of order format but there is no rule anywhere in the rulebook that says it must follow that format or that it cannot have the nation in the format. The only rule is that they are not ambiguous or illegal moves.
6. You are not even close to dead yet. If you play correctly you wont even lose a SC.

 

[Niklas]

Alright, since no one really got hurt from this turn, I think I shalln't redo it.

But I will in the future be more user-specific about my pre-resolution warnings. (even though I did post the warning within a half-hour of Niklas sending his orders, so I thought he would catch it)

I agree that this is utterly ridiculous. You should so redo it. If you want us to give orders that jDip reads out of the box, then I suggest we all do away with you and play this game via jDip.

And for those now going to claim that I've argued before that "bad orders" shouldn't be accepted, indeed I have, if by "bad" is meant ambiguous. There's nothing ambiguous about my orders whatsoever. They should be accepted, period.

 

[human-slaughter]

Alright, since no one really got hurt from this turn, I think I shalln't redo it.

But I will in the future be more user-specific about my pre-resolution warnings. (even though I did post the warning within a half-hour of Niklas sending his orders, so I thought he would catch it)

WHAT!?!?!

What do you mean "No one got hurt." Um excuse me? Yes me here. I got hurt by this...ALOT. Not only do I not have a shot at the Balkans but theoretically I am now 1 move behind everyone else. This is an outrage this needs to be redone.

 

[Niklas]

Oh, and for the record, writing orders my way with country explicitly specified is accepted by jDip. The only problem here was that I didn't know what identifier you used for the Northern Italian Empire, so I went with a generic one, "knowing" you would know to make sense of it.

 

[TheBladeRoden]

Alright I've updated the front page with an order guide for easy access.

 

[Niklas]

And the new update?

 

[TheBladeRoden]

Oh, and for the record, writing orders my way with country explicitly specified is accepted by jDip. The only problem here was that I didn't know what identifier you used for the Northern Italian Empire, so I went with a generic one, "knowing" you would know to make sense of it.

Tested this theory on a standard game.

France: a mar s (ita) a ven - pie
Province ita not recognized.