BNP leader arrested

[carlosMM]

The Lib Dems and all the political parties fear us, the fear that once we start fair media coverage people will see through the lies that are spread about about us. The "old gang" know that if we get a foothold we can not be stopped.

interestingly, what *I* have seen from the BNP is totally at odds with reality - so who lies?

You keep saying "racist thugs" yet a large number of women and elderly people voted for the BNP at the last elections. Dismissing us as racist thugs will get you no where as the BNP members are the most active activists in the country and when people talk to us they do not see the racist thugs you talk about.

Hitler and Göring and Himmler were racist thugs. They got votes, too - ever heard of propaganda?

I am so sick and tired of Nazi lies and smug claims of 'we speak the truth'!

I would bet my house on the fact that Nick Griffin will be found not guilty, as we are not inciting our members to attack ethnic minorities, just look at the last paragraph of the BNP press release:

David Irving also bet a lot that he wouldn't be found guilty. As did a lot of other right-wing radical racist liars.

Your quote:We conclude by making an appeal for calm, all supporters are asked to remember that this is a deliberate attempt to disrupt the operation of the only political party in the UK that is a genuine opposition to the Blairite regime. We are all very very angry about these actions to silence our spokesmen and to disrupt our day to day activities but our organisation will grow in strength and capability if we show restraint and a typically British stiff upper lip.

Why is it necessary to ask them to show restraint?
Because they are SA like terror gangs?
because they tend to fly off the ahndle and beat up people?

and it is terribly bad English to say the least - 'very very very'

There is no evidence of the BNP inciting racial hatred because we dont, I dont go around beating up people because they are black and the that will be proven when Nick Griffin is released without charge.

Yes, there is ample evidence - your dear party tells lies (Asian rape gans) to incite hatred of minorities of different race.


Out them when you see them:

You are a NAZI!

edit 2: I see you yourself proclaim to be one, proudly. In my eyes, that makes you the viles slime in the universe.

edit: and I do not care whether I get banned for this or not. I will NOT sit tight and keep quiet - or even sugarcoat my opinion - when racial hatred in any organized form is being promoted or apologized in public.

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[Kafka2]

I haven't updated this list recently, but it still makes a good read. Who knows? I might soon have a few more additions to make to it.

Nick Griffin- (Leader since 1998)

Criminal convictions- Incitement to racial hatred in 2000 (6 months suspended)

Notes- Originally prominent in the pro-Nazi National Front. In 1988 he went to Tripoli courtesy of Gadaffi in the hope of securing funding. Unfortunately all they got was 5,000 copies of Colonel Gadaffi's Green Book.
In 1991 Griffin and a number of other NF leaders left the NF to form the International Third Position, a small but fanatical fascist group. One of the figures behind the ITP was Roberto Fiore, an Italian fascist who fled to London with up to forty others to escape police capture. Fiore was later convicted in absentia. Some of Fiore's associates were behind the Bologna station bombing in 1980 that killed 80 people.
Former editor/publisher of anti-semitic journal "The Rune"

John Tydall- (Former leader)

Criminal convictions- Being a member of a paramilitary organisation (1950's).

Notes- A member of British nazi groups since the 1940's. Founder of the BNP and former leader of the National Front. Founded the extreme-right terror organisation C18.


Tony Lecomber - Group Development Organiser, and branch organiser for Redbridge. Third most powerful member of the BNP.

Criminal convictions- 1980s - Two convictions for criminal damage. 1985 - Convicted and imprisoned on five counts for offences under the Explosives Act (Making and detonating a nailbomb in an attempt to endanger life, possession of detonators and hand grenades). 1991 - Sentenced to three years' imprisonment for an attack (with 5 other men) on a Jewish schoolteacher.

Notes- Inaugural member of the BNP. Previously edited the journal Young Nationalist, a heavily racist and anti-Semitic magazine. One of his assistants was David Copeland, the Soho nailbomber who was imprisoned for murder after nailbombing gay bars.


Paul Ballard- Branch organiser for Croydon & Surrey

Criminal convictions- Incitement to racial hatred in 2000 (6 months suspended)

Notes- C18 activist in early 90's.


Colin Smith- Regional organiser for South East London

Criminal convictions- Has multiple convictions, including possession of an offensive weapon, driving whilst disqualified, and possession of a controlled drug.

Notes- Ex-member of the openly nazi British Movement before leaving to join the BNP in the early 1990s. 1981 - photographed wearing a British Movement jacket with a swastika armband at a British Movement rally


Stephen Belshaw- Regional organiser for the East Midlands

Criminal convictions- Convicted of violent disorder for an attack on a Mansfield solicitor in 1993.

Notes- C18 activist 1992- 1993


Graham Tasker- Branch organiser for Chesterfield

Criminal convictions- 1989 - Six months custody for an attack on a black woman. 1993 - Convicted of violent disorder for an attack on a Mansfield solicitor.

Notes- 1992 - Active in the Ku Klux Klan, burning crosses in the Derbyshire countryside. 1992-1993 - Activist with C18 both in the East Midlands and in London.


David Hannam- Branch organiser for Hull

Criminal convictions- 2000 - Three months custody for his part in the production and distribution of a racist and anti-Semitic leaflet during the 1999 European election campaign


Paul Thompson- Branch organiser for County Durham

Criminal convictions- Sentenced to a year's conditional discharge and made to pay £237 compensation. July 1998 - Convicted for violence and jailed for six months. July 1998 - Convicted for violence after attacking football fans in Darlington town centre.


Kevin Scott- Regional organiser for the North East and branch organiser for Newcastle

Criminal convictions- 1987 - Conviction for assault. 1993 - Conviction for using threatening words and behaviour


Warren Bennett- Chief Steward and branch organiser for Edinburgh

Criminal convictions- 1990 - Conviction for public disorder. Was among 58 Scottish supporters prevented from attending the Scotland match with Norway in Bordeaux, France during the 1998 World Cup

Notes- C18 activist 1992- 1995


Andy McLorie- Regional organiser for Ulster

Criminal convictions- 1986 - Sentenced to two years in jail following a petrol bomb attack on the home of an RUC officer


Ricard Edmonds- National organiser

Criminal convictions- Sentenced to six months imprisonment for a racially-motivated assault in 1994.


Jason Douglas- Redbridge activist and candidate.

Criminal convictions- Known football hooligan with a string of convictions for violence going back 12 years.


Robert Bennett- Oldham campaign organiser

Criminal convictions- Convicted rapist- jailed in the 1990's for violent sexual offences.


Rob Gray- Regional activist

Criminal convictions- 1994 - Imprisoned for violent disorder and assaulting a police officer. 1997 - Imprisoned for possessing and distributing material likely to incite racial hatred. "The Stormer" was the magazine of West London Combat 18.

Notes- C18 activist 1992-1997


Warren Glass- BNP member - until 1998 he was the BNP West London organiser

Notes- C18 member/activist 1992- 1999. 1999 - Joined C18 and football hooligans in an attempted attack on the Bloody Sunday demonstration in London.Links to the British Ulster Alliance.


Barnaby Ore- Essex-based BNP activist. Previously head of the Young BNP.

Notes- Close friend of Soho nailbomber David Copeland, and the man who introduced Copeland to the National Alliance, arguably the most extreme nazi group in the US.


Steve Smith- Burnley activist and candidate.

Criminal convictions- Imprisoned in 1999 for electoral fraud

 

[Mise]

The Lib Dems and all the political parties fear us, the fear that once we start fair media coverage people will see through the lies that are spread about about us. The "old gang" know that if we get a foothold we can not be stopped.

Your childish hyperbolic rhetoric is boring me.

You keep saying "racist thugs" yet a large number of women and elderly people voted for the BNP at the last elections. Dismissing us as racist thugs will get you no where as the BNP members are the most active activists in the country and when people talk to us they do not see the racist thugs you talk about.

You are a MEMBER of the BNP. Old ladies who fall for your charms and lies are NOT members.

I would bet my house on the fact that Nick Griffin will be found not guilty, as we are not inciting our members to attack ethnic minorities, just look at the last paragraph of the BNP press release:
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There is no evidence of the BNP inciting racial hatred because we dont, I dont go around beating up people because they are black and the that will be proven when Nick Griffin is released without charge.

"We conclude by making an appeal for calm".

Most parties wouldn't have to appeal for calm, because most parties aren't made from racist gangs and skinhead thugs. But that aside, if you're serious about betting your house on Griffin being found innocent, I'd like to take a piece of that.

 

[Plotinus]

David Irving also bet a lot that he wouldn't be found guilty. As did a lot of other right-wing radical racist liars.

..to be fair, Irving wasn't convicted of anything - HE was the one bringing a case against someone else for calling him a liar. Which he lost. Because he was. Although, again to be fair, I don't think he's as bad as the BNP.

That's an amazing list, Kafka! I didn't realise any of them had such links to "Combat 18", a group which can hardly claim not to have Nazi sympathies (1 and 8, of course, represent the letters A and H).

 

[Scuffer]

If this is considered incitement to racial hatred then I consider that the end of free speech in England.

I really hope we don't get such laws in The Netherlands, although I distrust our Minister of Justice regarding this.

and @Stapel too

It is important to remember that he has been arrested, not convicted. There may well be other issues that the police will take in to consideration but have not been released to the press, or they may decide there are no charges to answer and Mr Griffin will be freed.

It would be better if you reserved your judgement about my country's laws until the judicial process is finished one way or another.

 

[Britannia]

I always take it that "Nazi" in modern use is a shortened form of National Socialist.

Iggy, then I suppose by that definition I am a Nazi, however when you say Nazi people always think concentration camp or final solution which is not what I support at all.

You're quite right. I should, of course, have called Nick Griffin "pro-Nazi" or "sympathetic to nazis". Such as writing anti-Semitic articles for "The Rune", goose-stepping and "Sieg heil"-ing on NF rallies and joininginternational fascist organisations with Italian terrorists.

Nick Griffin is not pro Nazi, he might be an anti semite however that for me is a small price to pay for a leader that will help us on the road to a National Socailist government.
I just want to point out that I am not an anti semite, I view Jews as part of the European civillization.

And yes, I *am* calling you a Nazi apologetic! You try to sugarcoat the fact that the BNP is an extremist right-wing hate party. You try to blow smoke at us, thinking us dumb enough not to see behind the suits and smiles that the BNP is nothing but an evil to be stamped out vicioulsy for the good of mankind.

The BNP is the only party that defends the British people. We are not a hate party we will give ethnic minorities 20 years to migrate out of the country and give them financial assistance. The BNP is also not an "evil" party we will improve the lives of the British people which is not an evil objective. We also do not hide anything, we will do what we say and we are not afraid to say it.

The good of mankind? To hell with mankind, I dont care what happens to some man in the middle of Africa I care about the good of the British and European people which are in danger of becoming a minority in their own land.

And you yourself should be glad you do not live in Germany, the only country I know who really is able to defends a democratic and free constitution against racial hatred (most others lack the necessary laws; thanx to the Allies for giving us these laws ) - you'd be in jail with one foot. We jail scum like the BNP, gladly, and those who support them!

You jail people like the BNP because the majority view their views extreme and "detrimental to mankind". All governments will do this, it is exactly what Hitler did ironically, jailing people with political views that he found distasteful.

 

[carlosMM]

..to be fair, Irving wasn't convicted of anything - HE was the one bringing a case against someone else for calling him a liar. Which he lost. Because he was. Although, again to be fair, I don't think he's as bad as the BNP.

He was convicted in Germany at least once. Volksverhetzung.

 

[newfangle]

I don't understand why he is imprisoned. But then, I didn't read the article.

Did any of his actions actually result in someone being physically harmed? If so, imprison him. If not, they are simply making a martyr.

 

[carlosMM]

The BNP is the only party that defends the British people. We are not a hate party we will give ethnic minorities 20 years to migrate out of the country and give them financial assistance. The BNP is also not an "evil" party we will improve the lives of the British people which is not an evil objective. We also do not hide anything, we will do what we say and we are not afraid to say it.

So, in 20 years all Normannic and Saxon people will leave?


You are a hate party, and you are racially motivated. You can talk about 20 years all you like - the German Nationalsozialisten also talked about 'Emigration'.

The good of mankind? To hell with mankind, I dont care what happens to some man in the middle of Africa I care about the good of the British and European people which are in danger of becoming a minority in their own land.

There you go again - racial motiv!

You jail people like the BNP because the majority view their views extreme and "detrimental to mankind". All governments will do this, it is exactly what Hitler did ironically, jailing people with political views that he found distasteful.

We jail people who promote ideas that are harmfull for the entire population.

Hitler jailed people who fought FOR the people, not AGAINST them.

 

[Mise]

(Yes, I know, these quotes are taken out of context, but the whole thing is full of rhetoric, propaganda and lies.)

Nick Griffin is not pro Nazi, he might be an anti semite however that for me is a small price to pay for a leader that will help us on the road to a National Socailist government.
I just want to point out that I am not an anti semite, I view Jews as part of the European civillization.

The BNP is the only party that defends the British people. We are not a hate party we will give ethnic minorities 20 years to migrate out of the country and give them financial assistance. The BNP is ... not ... "evil"

The good of mankind? To hell with mankind

I am a Nazi

See! You don't need to make fun of the BNP, they do it themselves quite well!

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[carlosMM]

Did any of his actions actually result in someone being physically harmed? If so, imprison him. If not, they are simply making a martyr.

by that logic you would have to let Hitler talk freely.

 

[Plotinus]

[Carlos] Then I stand corrected. He's doubly a liar. I certainly think that the German laws in these matters, whilst some may think they go too far, err in the right direction.

The BNP is the only party that defends the British people. We are not a hate party we will give ethnic minorities 20 years to migrate out of the country and give them financial assistance.

You don't defend the British people - you aim to defend *some* British people. My girlfriend is just as British as I am. More so, probably, since she's been abroad much less than I have. Should your party ever gain government, I will be very interested to see how you tell her she has 20 years to leave the only country she's ever lived in and migrate to somewhere she's never been - in a non-hateful manner.

Or perhaps you can explain to me now the rationale behind this?

 

[Kafka2]

The good of mankind? To hell with mankind, I dont care what happens to some man in the middle of Africa

You are aware, I take it, that 6 months ago the BNP site was calling for British troops to be taken out of Iraq and sent into Zimbabwe?

 

[Eklektikos]

The BNP is the only party that defends the British people. We are not a hate party we will give ethnic minorities 20 years to migrate out of the country and give them financial assistance. The BNP is also not an "evil" party we will improve the lives of the British people which is not an evil objective. We also do not hide anything, we will do what we say and we are not afraid to say it.

And how are you defining "the British people" in this instance?

 

[Mise]

@Plotinus: There was a thread where this was discussed in a more calm and rational manner than I and others may be capable of at the moment. It was closed, but I'll see if I can find it...

 

[Crazy Eddie]

It is important to remember that he has been arrested, not convicted. There may well be other issues that the police will take in to consideration but have not been released to the press, or they may decide there are no charges to answer and Mr Griffin will be freed.

It would be better if you reserved your judgement about my country's laws until the judicial process is finished one way or another.

Let's be honest Scuffer, we don't have free speech in this country. Say anything that upsets any of the more politicly agressive special interest groups and you risk being arrested. Remember Robin Page?

 

[Eklektikos]

So, in 20 years all Normannic and Saxon people will leave?

Don't forget the celts!

 

[carlosMM]

Let's be honest Scuffer, we don't have free speech in this country. Say anything that upsets any of the more politicly agressive special interest groups and you risk being arrested. Remember Robin Page?

he compares palce of living (which is your choice) to skin color - then goes on claiming that people who live in the countryside are as being discrimineted against as are people with a different skin color. That is actually downplaying the discrimination of non-Caucasians.


Bad example: he should IMHOP not have been arrested, but his remark was out of order.

 

[Mise]

Let's be honest Scuffer, we don't have free speech in this country. Say anything that upsets any of the more politicly agressive special interest groups and you risk being arrested. Remember Robin Page?

Actually, compared to most of Europe and the USA, we have quite liberal free speech laws. The only reason we get lots of arrests is because we let them get that far enough to arrest them. (not sure if that made sense...)

 

[newfangle]

by that logic you would have to let Hitler talk freely.

Of course I would let him talk freely.

Rolling Panzer divisions into Paris is what actually warrants punishment.

Are you going to call me a Nazi in big letters too? As much of a dumbphwuck Brittania is, your level of maturity in this thread has remained comparable.

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