Bob Geldof - nationalising the charities

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Online newspaper said:
Foreign aid 'shameful'
15 July 2006
By MICHAEL FIELD

New Zealand's official foreign aid is shameful and pathetic, LiveAid founder Bob Geldof says.

In signing a petition to Prime Minister Helen Clark, he attacked the $315 million aid programme, noting it was only 0.27 per cent of gross national income. That is below the OECD average of 0.42 per cent and the United Nations' desired 0.7 per cent.

Geldof, whose Make Poverty History campaign has got huge amounts of debt cancelled in Africa, said millions were benefiting. "This is not an intangible wish list, this is an attack on something that is so intellectually absurd and morally repulsive that it will happen and the great shame of New Zealand is that it is the second-lowest in the world with their generosity," he said outside Auckland's Aotea Centre.

Inside he was a paid speaker at a lavish corporate motivational session along with former punk rocker Malcolm McLaren.

According to the OECD, New Zealand is third from the bottom in official aid; the worst performer is the United States, followed by Japan. Norway and Sweden are top.

Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters called Geldof's comment unfortunate, saying if he had been better informed he would have been "a lot more positive" about New Zealand's aid.

But Geldof said New Zealand's official aid did not represent the spirit of the electorate. "In a democracy we are able to insist that our wishes are made manifest," he said. "And they are not being made manifest by the pathetic 0.27 per cent this government gives to the poorest people on the planet. That is a great disgrace."

It was no defence that New Zealand's non-government aid to the Third World was high. Much of global poverty was government business, he said.

It was absurd that at a time when much of the world had never been healthier, people were dying of poverty.

"We don't die of drought in the South Island, Queensland or Kent. They die of drought in Africa. Why? They are poor. We don't die of Aids in Auckland, Wellington or Christchurch any longer, thank God. They die of Aids in Africa. Why? Because they are poor." Only governments could deal with the structures of extreme poverty. Private aid dealt with the symptoms.

New Zealanders would not accept the low level of aid: "Look around you, look at what you've achieved together with your indigenous population together in a couple of hundred years, and you don't feel you owe anything to what I believe is the greatest political problem of our age?"

So he is suggesting that rather than allow private individuals & companies to provide aid (which is working in NZ), that money is better taken by the government through taxes, run through the bureaucratic washer (where probably 10-20% is extracted in administration), then instead of being given to aid organisations to spend directly on the people needing aid, it should be given at a government level.

Sorry Bob, but I think you've got it very wrong.
 
I must say I agree. While I think it's sad that the developed world is not doing enough to help end poverty, Canada being one of the worst culprits if not the worst, there are other avenues those who are concerned can follow.

I once thought about starting a thread with a title something like "Your own 0.7% solution". If governments should bve expected put 0.7% of their revenue to help, why shouldn't private citizens do the same?

I've been researching charities to ensure that what I give goes to good effect, but haven't started donating, I admit I haven't been doing as well as I should.

Once I do, I'll still stay on my government's case to do their share as well.
 
If they nationalized all charities, I'd probably quit giving to the Salvation Army and others. The government can send my forcibly collected tax monies away if they choose and I cannot do much about it, but I will be darned if I'll donate aid to the government.
 
Bob Geldof is a scruffy tramp so it's no surprise that he has these awful ideas too.
 
Silly Bob Geldof said:
We don't die of Aids in Auckland, Wellington or Christchurch any longer, thank God.
I imagine the people suffering from AIDS in New Zealand were thrilled to just thrilled to hear this.

They die of Aids in Africa. Why? Because they are poor.
*bzzt* -- Sorry Bob, I'm pretty sure they're dying because they have AIDS.

I don't expect anything more from a man who is so naive to give the Mengitsu regime money and food that wound up being used in Ethiopia's war against Eritrea.
 
According to the OECD, New Zealand is third from the bottom in official aid; the worst performer is the United States, followed by Japan. Norway and Sweden are top.

What's the actual figures in dollars, out of interest?
 
Geldof is a wanker. The fact that New Zealand gives $315 million yearly should be praised, not scoffed at. It ceases to be charity if it is extorted.
 
rmsharpe said:
I imagine the people suffering from AIDS in New Zealand were thrilled to just thrilled to hear this.


*bzzt* -- Sorry Bob, I'm pretty sure they're dying because they have AIDS.

I don't expect anything more from a man who is so naive to give the Mengitsu regime money and food that wound up being used in Ethiopia's war against Eritrea.

haha, yeah. thats what i thought when i saw that.

people arent dying from aids in new zealand!!

i think he's just like bono.

"i must leave a legacy no matter what"

and since they're music sucks they try their hand at helping the world.

can't blame the guy, his hearts in the right place. its just his head that needs some aligning.
 
Kind of stupid for Geldof to say there's no AIDS in Auckland, Wellington, or Christchurch when the New Zealand AIDS Foundation has counseling and research centers in Auckland, Wellington, and Christchurch.
 
According to the OECD, New Zealand is third from the bottom in official aid; the worst performer is the United States, followed by Japan. Norway and Sweden are top.
That's so misleading. Only percentage-wise, not in actual dollar amounts. (You'll have to scroll down, but they have a nice graph) In USD, the US gives $27 billion a year, compared to Sweden's $3 billion. We actually give nine times the amount they do in actual dollars, they just get more credit because their GNI isn't nearly as high as the US's.

Even when the US gives more, we're still the stingy capitalist bad guys. :p
 
Elrohir said:
That's so misleading. Only percentage-wise, not in actual dollar amounts. (You'll have to scroll down, but they have a nice graph) In USD, the US gives $27 billion a year, compared to Sweden's $3 billion. We actually give nine times the amount they do in actual dollars, they just get more credit because their GNI isn't nearly as high as the US's.

Even when the US gives more, we're still the stingy capitalist bad guys. :p
I'm not trying to make any political point, but the actually effort that a nation puts in sending foreign aid is best measured by the percentage of the GNI, and not in absolute numbers.

Personally I'd be very interested in the total charity figures of private organizations by country.
 
I find Bob Geldof extremely tiresome.


I doubt that he has even bothered to add up New Zealand government
aid to New Zealand non governmental aid to get a true picture.

Although I am generally left on economics, I think NGOs generally
do a better job than governments with foreign aid.

I don't believe Geldof has made any contribution at all to easing
poor country's debts arising from foreign aid. What has happened
is that the capitalists have merely realised that simply trying to
insist that all capital and interest being repaid will merely result
in those countries defaulting, and have therefore tactically forgiven
some debt in the hope of still getting a good return back on the rest;
and of using the debt to gain control of natural resources there.

There was, a few years back, a Private Eye sketch of:

Africans having a famine to save failing aging rock stars.
 
rmsharpe said:
I'm not on TV with phony tears every three months condemning the New Zealand government.

how do you know they are phony though?

how can you judge his character?

im not saying he's right or wrong here i just find it amazing you can just assume he doesnt really care about africa.
 
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