Bolt-Action Riflemen of the World

[Gary Childress]

Actually, the troops in Norway received a new Khaki uniform, specifically for this mission

These don't look like combat uniforms, though. Is it possible that these are dress uniforms? There's hardly a trace of blue in any of the color plates in my Osprey edition: The French Army 1939-1945 (and actually 1942 is a far along as the plates themselves go). Most of the colors are khai khai or brown.

 

[Steph]

These don't look like combat uniforms, though. Is it possible that these are dress uniforms? There's hardly a trace of blue in any of the color plates in my Osprey edition: The French Army 1939-1945 (and actually 1942 is a far along as the plates themselves go). Most of the colors are khai khai or brown.

To my knowledge, they are combat uniforms of the chasseur alpin, for 1939-1940.
Except in Norway, they used a different uniform, (Khaki).
What is the reference of the Ospry book you are using?

 

[Moosezilla]

As an "old timer" you guys remind me of the days of the "Squadron" shop in my area and the tons of Osprey I could not afford. I love it.

 

[Gary Childress]

As an "old timer" you guys remind me of the days of the "Squadron" shop in my area and the tons of Osprey I could not afford. I love it.

I loved the Squadron Shop! We had one in Maryland not far from where I lived in N. Virginia. Unfortunately when I was a kid I couldn't afford much from it either.

@ Steph: What do you mean reference? I don't see any real citation of any sources for the plates. There's a bibliography where they cite a guide to the uniforms of the early war army compiled by Francois Vauvillier called Les Uniformes de l'Armee Francaise. Other than that I don't see any sources cited for the plates.

The Osprey book was published in 1998.

Anyway perhaps I could make a blueish version of the Mountain Trooper as well just in case. However, I would think the Norway expedition could be representative of a more modern Mountain Trooper with more modern uniform and equipment a kind of "what if" uniformm had the French Army survived into later in the war.

 

[Ozymandias]

Gary - for my 2 centimes, I'd happily use a unit based on the pic you posted.

... Ah, and yes, the Squadron Shop ...

Best,

Oz

 

[Gary Childress]

Personally I like the Norway uniforms better myself. The blue uniforms look too "old school", like WW1 and before. I think the Norway uniforms look more modern and would better represent what the French Mountain troops might have looked like had France survived longer into the War. However, I can do a bluish uniform to represent earlier Mountain troops which could then upgrade to the more modern ones.

 

[Steph]

@ Steph: What do you mean reference? I don't see any real citation of any sources for the plates. There's a bibliography where they cite a guide to the uniforms of the early war army compiled by Francois Vauvillier called Les Uniformes de l'Armee Francaise. Other than that I don't see any sources cited for the plates.

I mean what is the title, serie and number? Like "Men at arm 789".

Anyway perhaps I could make a blueish version of the Mountain Trooper as well just in case. However, I would think the Norway expedition could be representative of a more modern Mountain Trooper with more modern uniform and equipment a kind of "what if" uniformm had the French Army survived into later in the war.

The Norway version is quite correct, and I like it. I just point out that if you make a Blue version, it could be used for early war; or for WWI, with an update to the brown version. for WWII.
My point was not to criticize the unit you did, just to give idea for another one. The more the merrier .

 

[Gary Childress]

I mean what is the title, serie and number? Like "Men at arm 789".


The Norway version is quite correct, and I like it. I just point out that if you make a Blue version, it could be used for early war; or for WWI, with an update to the brown version. for WWII.
My point was not to criticize the unit you did, just to give idea for another one. The more the merrier .

Oh. I see what you are asking. It's "Men-at-Arms 315".

What about the early war regular French infantry? The Osprey book has them mostly in brownish uniforms. There's a soldier in an overcoat and it looks like a dark bluish grey uniform underneath but they don't show the soldier without the coat. Should they be blue uniforms as well? I'd like to make an early war French rifleman.

 

[Steph]

No, the blueish uniform was only for some chasseur regiment, like the chasseur alpin.

The others should be khaki. Although the transition from blue to khaki took many years, it was mostly finished in 1939

If you want to make an early war look, I'm afraid you'll have to find a greatcoat.

From Osprey Men at Arm 315:
- P5, legend at the top left: "the chasseur's blue uniform is as per regulation..."

 

[Gary Childress]

OK. Here's a quick first stab at the French mountain trooper, a kind of rough draft:

This one is based upon the pic in this thread above. Unfortunately the tunic is going to be hard for me to replicate but at Civ scale it won't be noticable. What are your thoughts Steph?

EDIT: The redish streaks on the belt are the result of me reducing the color depth in this pic and WON'T be in the actual unit. And the red suspenders will be CIV color.

 

[Steph]

Quite nice, but I think it should be a bit darker.

Also, don't hesitate to make the beret (called Tarte) really big.

In fact it's big enough to cover one side of the face. It's used to protect from blowing wind.

 

[Gary Childress]

Here's a go at darker blue and a little bigger tarte. Plus a couple ammo pouches added.

I wish I had a sash for his coat but unfortunately I don't have anything to work as a sash. I'll have to do some more shopping around to find one for future use.

Let me know what you think?

 

[Steph]

Ready to kick some Italian butts in the Alps!

If only Firaxis was just a little less stupid, they would have made the "ignore terrain cost" a "favored terrain", that would also give a combat bonus...

 

[Gary Childress]

Great!! I'm off to work!

 

[Ares de Borg]

Sweet units, Gary! I like them a lot.

Btw, are you taking requests? If you do, I'd love to see some general WW2 era infantry for some European countries (like Italy, Russia, Turkey, Sweden or Poland). The goal would be to replace Winters excellent, but older C&P units step by step. If you need any pictures, just ask. If you don't want to do these, it's fine, too.

 

[Gary Childress]

Sweet units, Gary! I like them a lot.

Btw, are you taking requests? If you do, I'd love to see some general WW2 era infantry for some European countries (like Italy, Russia, Turkey, Sweden or Poland). The goal would be to replace Winters excellent, but older C&P units step by step. If you need any pictures, just ask. If you don't want to do these, it's fine, too.

Ah! You read my mind! Creating a complete set of WW2 era units is my master plan with this thread. I'll definitely need some pictures as I come to the units. I'm glad you will be able to help me out with them. Thank you Ares!

 

[Steph]

And you can also count on my help, just ask if you need pictures, or comments, or whatever.

If you do half of want Sandris just made I'll be a very happy modder.

My mod is slowly progressing toward completion.

You've done a very good job at filling the gaps for late 19th, WWI, inter war, and WWII with top quality units.

 

[Ares de Borg]

Sure. What do you need first?

Some Dutch, I will find some better pictures.

Some other nice pages:

http://www.ww2incolor.com/

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-uniforms/all-forces.htm

 

[Ares de Borg]

You've done a very good job at filling the gaps for late 19th, WWI, inter war, and WWII with TOP quality units.

I think you mean "top quality", right?

 

[Delta_Strife]

Speaking of WW2 infantry I hope Gary that you make some free polish infantry! I also suspect they may use that particular rifle your using as a model.