Bombs targeting Shi'ites kill scores in Iraq

[Formaldehyde]

Isn't this attack yet another sign of what "Arab Spring" continues to cause in Iraq?

What makes you think the majority of Iraqis, who have publicly stated they preferred Hussein to the US invasion and occupation and the installation of their current puppet government with the mandated abolition of the Baathist Party, would have openly rebelled if he had still been in power as some have done in Syria and elsewhere?

Why wouldn't it be much more similar to Iran and most other Muslim countries which have not seen that level of dissension and repression?

Why do so many continue to ignore that Hussein was actually also a puppet of the US government, much like Mubarak, until he made a blunder by thinking the US government approved of his invasion of Kuwait?

Saddam Hussein was a moderate and extremely secular compared to most US allies in that region who continue to brutally repress the population, especially those who practice other Muslim variants than their own. Take Saudi Arabia, for example.

 

[kramerfan86]

Preferred Hussein to US invasion isnt quite the same as saying they loved Hussein and when people started protesting other dictators they wouldnt have done the same. All your US puppet ranting while accurate is irrelevant to my point of how Saddam would have likely responded to protests.

Plus Iran is at worst still more democratic than most of the nations seeing protests.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I never claimed they all "loved" Hussein even though it was obvious that many Baathists did.

But you can't ignore the fact that Iraq was considered to be the most modern and secular of all the Arab countries, and the US was one of their biggest supporters, until Hussein made the tragic mistake of thinking he had the backing of the US to invade Kuwait for slant-drilling their oilfields for years. As usual, it was yet another completely inept US foreign policy decision which was really responsible.

And that is exactly my point about Iran. Their government also enjoys considerable popular suport despite being constantly vilified by completely incompetent US foreign policy decisions and a massive propaganda effort. Not to mention the obviously partisan attempts of Israel and various Sunni-controlled nations to overthrow their legitimate government.

Perhaps someday we will eventually learn to stop meddling, and thereby drastically destabilizing, that part of the world on a recurring basis.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

Perhaps someday we will eventually learn to stop meddling, and thereby drastically destabilizing, that part of the world on a recurring basis.

Its in the US' best interests to destabilize any upcoming regional power, which might sway its neighbors against us.

Not that I agree with it, I'm to the point of saying the empire should go ahead and go the way the cards do.

 

[del62]

Nah Iran is not democratic, you have to have approval of the Mullahs to stand as a candidate, they also execute people for apostocy, psuedo - adultery and homosexuality.

They also suppressed their own green revolution, but people tend to forget that.

Oh and they also sponsered a holocaust denail conference, but I guess the supporters of the troofer movement love that sort of stuff

 

[Formaldehyde]

That so-called "holocaust denial conference" was actually nothing of the sort. It was even attended by many prominent Iranian Jews and others who were quite outspoken in their views rebutting those who were. While there were a few prominent Holocaust deniers who took part, such as David Duke, the issues discussed were more about how the Holocaust is used to promote a pro-Zionist view. How it is even used as an excuse to engage in atrocities against Palestinians and other Muslims.

It is just yet another example of the incessant propaganda being generated against Iran, and how it is believed by many without any actual proof.

Iran is actually a theocracy. They make no excuses for that, which is why all political candidates for president or the parliament must be vetted by the Guardian Council. Ironically, the Assembly of Experts which elects the Supreme Leader has no such provision.

While Iran does indeed have a repressive government in many regards, they are not nearly as bad as many US allies are. They are quite moderate when compared to Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Qatar, Pakistan, Afghanistan, and other predominantly Muslim countries which are friendly to the US.

 

[del62]

If that is your view of Irans Holocaust denial conference then I have only one thing to say to you

Spoiler :

get lost

 

[Formaldehyde]

It isn't just my "view". It is the view of many of those are reasonably impartial about it.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6167695.stm

But a small group of Jewish rabbis are also there. One, British Rabbi Ahron Cohen, said he had come to the conference to put the "Orthodox Jewish viewpoint" across.

"We certainly say there was a Holocaust, we lived through the Holocaust. But in no way can it be used as a justification for perpetrating unjust acts against the Palestinians," he said.

Opening the conference, Mr Mottaki said the aim of the conference was "not to deny or confirm the Holocaust".

"Its main aim is to create an opportunity for thinkers who cannot express their views freely in Europe about the Holocaust," he said.

It quite similar to the incessant propaganda that Ahmadinejad stated Israel "must be wiped off the map". Many people seem to hear what they want to hear instead of what is actually stated.

 

[del62]

No its the view of the apologists for anti-semites

I suspect your a 9/11 troofer though, and movements like that attract anti-semites like hores muck attract flies

 

[Formaldehyde]

Right. Like Jews who are opposed to the persecution of Palestinians, such as Noam Chomsky, Richard Goldstone, and Gerald Kaufman, are also all "anti-Semites" for merely stating the obvious.

 

[del62]

If they support Iran's Holocaust Denial conference they become apologists for anti-semites, just like you are doing.

Mentioning zionism is just an attempt to confuse the issue

Did any of these people support Iran's conference

 

[Formaldehyde]

Only, again, it obviously wasn't a "Holocaust denial conference". Even the keynote speaker stated such at the beginning of the conference. That is just so much utter nonsense perpetuated by the same group who still try to claim that Ahmadinejad stated Israel "must be wiped off the map".

Anything in the least bit critical of the Israeli government's incessant abominable human rights policies under their far-right political parties instantly becomes "antisemitism" and an attempt to perpetuate the next Holocaust. Ironically, that was the major topic discussed.

 

[del62]

It was a holocaust denial conference, that is why it was attended by many Holocaust denials

Can you provie me with evidence of the three names you mentioned support of this conference.

I also see you are still using Israel to obscure the issue

 

[Formaldehyde]

Obscure the issue? It obviously is the issue.

I have no idea if those three highly prominent Jewish individuals who are incessantly labeled as anti-Semites for their views supported the conference or not. And I obviously didn't state they did.

 

[del62]

I see you think ppl become holocaust deniers because of Israel

And if you have no idea that they supported the holocaust denial conference or not then why bring their name up in the context of the confernece in question?

 

[Formaldehyde]

I see you clearly have no idea what my opinions actually are. Why don't you discuss what I post instead of what you falsely imagine I must think?

Holocaust deniers are beneath contempt. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't have the right to publicly make fools of themselves. I fully support freedom of speech, especially for bigots. And this conference was a perfect place for some of them to again publicly demonstrate their prejudices.

But other topics were also discussed as well, and which was actually the purpose of the conference that was attended by many Jews who obviously aren't anti-Semites.

 

[del62]

Well you seem to be supporting Iran's Holocaust denial confernece,

 

[Formaldehyde]

Well, you seem to be calling anybody who supports freedom of speech in regard to this topic an "anti-Semite", while still not even understanding that wasn't its primary purpose of this conference.

What do you find so objectionable to people merely getting together to publicly discuss any topic? Don't you think it is better to even discuss real antisemitism in the open instead of being prohibited from doing so?

 

[del62]

You have a strange defintion of freedom of speech, I someone put on a confernce saying that Bankers are paid too little, I would not support the conference, I would also think the confernce is objectionable

But I would not stop the confence, but I would be happy for ppl to call the confernce objectionable