Brave New World's 9 new Civs

[Bad Wolf]

I agree, there are certainly lots of forests and hills. (Not to mention snow.)

But Canada has never really fought a war on its own territory, and certainly not using Mounties, so having them as a unique military unit imo would be silly and inaccurate. (Of course I know accuracy isn't always the top concern... hello Gandhi of India...)

 

[Sikandar]

Also why does everyone assume that Italy would have to represent the post-1861 Italy? It could represent the Italian civilization of the Middle Ages (mixture of autonomous city-states and kingdoms much like how Ancient Greece is a civilization).

 

[Dragonflow]

Rome is not a problem for an Italian civ and there are creative ways you could have the Papal States without Rome.
Call the capitol Vatican, Holy See, St.Peters or if you really want Rome call it Roma.

Also why does everyone assume that Italy would have to represent the post-1861 Italy? It could represent the Italian civilization of the Middle Ages (mixture of autonomous city-states and kingdoms much like how Ancient Greece is a civilization).

Actually only the anti-Italy faction focuses on the post 1861 Italy. The supporters of an Italian civ support it being based on the medieval/renaissance city states.

 

[Bad Wolf]

Also why does everyone assume that Italy would have to represent the post-1861 Italy?

It's just a natural assumption. Italy was a major world power in the period after its unification; if you're going to have Italy as a civ, you can't seriously be suggesting that it NOT represent modern Italy? This is what I meant when I told an earlier poster you need to twist yourself into a pretzel in order to logically include Italy. There are just two many things that need to be explained away or rationalized. And to those who respond, "Yes, but Polynesia!" my response is, Polynesia is a total cluster-frack of a civ which has drawn no end of controversy and criticism, do you really want to use that as your example?

This is also why I feel Israel is unlikely (besides the fact that it would have been included in G&K if they were going to do it at all). Many have suggested they may concentrate on just ancient Israel in order to avoid controversy, but really isn't it hugely conspicuous to just pretend that one of the most significant countries in the world today doesn't exist?

 

[Dragonflow]

It's just a natural assumption. Italy was a major world power in the period after its unification; if you're going to have Italy as a civ, you can't seriously be suggesting that it NOT represent modern Italy? This is what I meant when I told an earlier poster you need to twist yourself into a pretzel in order to logically include Italy. There are just two many things that need to be explained away or rationalized. And to those who respond, "Yes, but Polynesia!" my response is, Polynesia is a total cluster-frack of a civ which has drawn no end of controversy and criticism, do you really want to use that as your example?

The more common and better example is the Greek civ we have in Civ5. The Greek civ we have in Civ5 completely ignores the modern post 1822 Greek state and focuses on the classical Greek city-states.
Why shouldn't an Italian do the same?
You can give it a nod to the post 1861 Italy by having Garibaldi as the leader or some modern UU, but Italy's cultural and commercial golden age was during the renaissance and this is the era the civ should focus on.

 

[fuzzatron717]

I agree, there are certainly lots of forests and hills. (Not to mention snow.)

But Canada has never really fought a war on its own territory, and certainly not using Mounties, so having them as a unique military unit imo would be silly and inaccurate. (Of course I know accuracy isn't always the top concern... hello Gandhi of India...)

I wouldn't say snow they come for the winter months November between March. Permanent snow only resides in the far north like the upper halves of the NWT and Nunavut. If you live in Edmonton like I do you would see about a few snowfalls within all of winter any other time the temperature is between -10 and +5 not kidding.

Canada has fought on it's own land Rebellions of 1837 it was pretty much the failed Canadian revolution war of democratic republic if they succeeded Canada would have a political system quite similar to the U.S cause it was inspired by it. And even though Canada was independent yet those were Canadians helped by the British to defeat the Americans in the war of 1812. Now I know you will say something like Canada wasn't independent yet it's people were still around.

And you are right Accuracy isn't the most important thing.

 

[Germnoble]

- Inuit would be interesting but really... what would they even use as a city-list?

There are Inuit names all over these maps they could use.

Although technically this was their 'Empire'

The real question is who would be the 'Leader'.

 

[fuzzatron717]

hmm I guess you are right Artgrin about the holysee.

 

[Menzies]

Rome is not a problem for an Italian civ and there are creative ways you could have the Papal States without Rome.
Call the capitol Vatican, Holy See, St.Peters or if you really want Rome call it Roma.



Actually only the anti-Italy faction focuses on the post 1861 Italy. The supporters of an Italian civ support it being based on the medieval/renaissance city states.

From the number of Italian City states it's pretty obvious that the City state concept was meant to cover medieval/ renaissance Italy.

 

[fuzzatron717]

Germnoble Inuit are not possible they were nomads they didn't build cities Canadians did they just put Inuit names on them plus they wouldn't have a UU or UB or UI Inuit don't even have a mentionable leader if want a civ with snow pick Canada or have the devs rewrite Russia's ablilty. ( Maybe Antarctica with the army of Penquins ready to invade)

 

[Gucumatz]

And all the developer diaries saying that Renaissance Italy was the inspiration for city states as they exist in civ 5....

I just don't see Italy being added at all. I honestly think the Papal State even would have a higher shot than Italy (Which is a longshot anyways)

 

[Bad Wolf]

The Greek civ we have in Civ5 completely ignores the modern post 1822 Greek state and focuses on the classical Greek city-states.
Why shouldn't an Italian do the same?

Because Italy had a huge impact on the modern world, where as Greece's impact has been more limited, would be the most obvious answer.

From the number of Italian City states it's pretty obvious that the City state concept was meant to cover medieval/ renaissance Italy.

Yeah this seems pretty obvious to me too...

There are Inuit names all over these maps they could use.

Yes but how many of those cities were built by the Inuit (and not say, Canada or Russia etc.)? I'm really not big on the idea of another artificial civ like Polynesia; we've got enough real ones to work with. If you want to include a northern people, maybe the Siberian Tartars or something?

 

[Haig]

Do you think Ashanti have a shot to an Africa civ?

"From 1806 until 1896, the Asanteman was in a perpetual state of war involving expansion or defense of its domain. The Ashantis exploits against other African forces made it the paramount power in the region. Its impressive performance against the British also earned it the respect of European powers. Far less known than its Zulu contemporaries, Asanteman was one of the few African states to decisively defeat the British Empire in not only a battle but a war."

Would make a good showcase civ for the Africa imperialism -scenario..

 

[Gucumatz]

Sure. In fact I think they have a shot of making it instead of the Zulu.

Edit: I think the African civs will actually surprise us since I don't think we will get another European civ other than Portugal

 

[daveydave8]

so what im taking from all of this is that Culture is going to be the new game guider replacing science which is now going to have little power seeing that trade routes will now spread the science around the world meaning all civs will be on relatively even ground...this makes all my stategies obsolete.

 

[sukritact]

From the number of Italian City states it's pretty obvious that the City state concept was meant to cover medieval/ renaissance Italy.

I don't see how this works against Italy. With every opportunity they've been replacing city states with less Eurocentric choices. I don't see why the fact that they'll have to remove around 4-5 city states works against Italy. It's a simple matter of names and some text.

 

[Sikandar]

Would there be any room for the "Moors" or Berbers with the Arabians and the Songhai already in the game?

 

[turingmachine]

Germnoble Inuit are not possible they were nomads they didn't build cities Canadians did they just put Inuit names on them plus they wouldn't have a UU or UB or UI Inuit don't even have a mentionable leader if want a civ with snow pick Canada or have the devs rewrite Russia's ablilty. ( Maybe Antarctica with the army of Penquins ready to invade)

They wouldn't have a UU or UB? What are you talking about? This shows nothing but ignorance. Just look at the excellent Inuit mod on the forums and the workshop to show that a leader, uniques and a city list can easily be done.

 

[Sonereal]

Would there be any room for the "Moors" or Berbers with the Arabians and the Songhai already in the game?

Moors and Berbers being lumped in with Arabians is extremely painful.

 

[Dragonflow]

Do you think Ashanti have a shot to an Africa civ?

"From 1806 until 1896, the Asanteman was in a perpetual state of war involving expansion or defense of its domain. The Ashantis exploits against other African forces made it the paramount power in the region. Its impressive performance against the British also earned it the respect of European powers. Far less known than its Zulu contemporaries, Asanteman was one of the few African states to decisively defeat the British Empire in not only a battle but a war."

Would make a good showcase civ for the Africa imperialism -scenario..

Sure, I guess we'll have more then one African civ this time because of the Scramble for Africa scenario.
I doubt we'll have more then three European civs, one civ for Mesopotamia, one civ for America(hopefully Brazil), one civ in Asia and the rest could be African.
My hopes are we get two sub-saharan and one North African civ, Moors seem like a good choice for North Africa.