Brave New World's 9 new Civs

[AbsintheRed]

It's still possible, but so is Cherokee, Hungary, Indonesia, Java, Khazars, Khmers, Majapahit, Morocco, Sioux, Timurids, Venice, Vietnam etc.

Very sorry to say that, but Hungary is out for 2 weeks now
The day they announced Pozsony/Pressburg as a city state...

That's when I stopped posting here, because:
Hungary not making it to BNW is one thing, I can understand that Firaxis cannot put all good candidates in
But calling the city-state Bratislava?????
That's just a Moderator Action: snip
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889 insult.

Shows an insanely amount of ignorance from the developers

 

[sukritact]

This might help - do we have any comparisons? We'll ahve to compare it to achievements that specifically mention civs that have to do with some special accomplishment, and not actual victory, as is the case with Italy and England in the achievements.

Gotta catch 'em all!
Capture and recruit all the barbarian unique units using Western Roman Legions without any of them dying in the Fall of Rome scenario.

Pax Romana Aeternum
in the game as Eastern or Western Rome on Deity and have all your original cities under your control in the Fall of Rome scenario.

I missed that day in history class
Capture any Sassanid city as the Celts in the Fall of Rome scenario.

I Sunk Your Imperial Capital!
Capture Rome as the Vandals using a boat in the Fall of Rome scenario.

What do you make of this?

 

[cybrxkhan]

What do you make of this?

Well, none of them have the sentence structure as the ones for Italy and England for the Scramble of African scenario, so I suppose cross-referencing other scenarios from G&K won't help us clarify things too much.

 

[sukritact]

Well, none of them have the sentence structure as the ones for Italy and England for the Scramble of African scenario, so I suppose cross-referencing other scenarios from G&K won't help us clarify things too much.

Pickett's Recharge - Capture Gettysburg with a Confederate Infantry unit possessing the George Pickett promotion.
Sheridan's Valley Campaign - As Union, control Winchester, Front Royal, Harrisonburg, Staunton, and Lynchburg.

Perhaps this helps, neither the Union or the Confederacy are civs, they don't specify the scenario....

 

[kaspergm]

The only weak evidence comes from the wording of the Italian achievement, which is similar only to English achievement:

Praise the Victories - Win the Scramble for Africa playing as the Boers on Deity.
Ottoman Carpentry - Win the Scramble for Africa playing as the Ottomans on Deity.
Dr Livingstone I presume? - Playing as Belgium, move your Stanley Explorer to within a tile of England’s Livingstone Explorer.
The Rhodes Colossus - Playing as England in Scramble for Africa, complete a railroad from Cairo to Capetown.
Nigerian Bank Account - In Scramble for Africa, marry Sokoto or Bornu.
Discoverer - Playing as Italy in Scramble for Africa, earn the VP for finding two Natural Wonders.

As both Boer and Ottoman refer to simply winning the scenario, and Belgium achievement does not refer to doing something in the Scramble for Africa (so this assumes Belgium is available ONLY in the scenario).

Both England and Italy are supposed to do something they could, conceivably, achieve outside of Scramble for Africa, so the specification this needs to be done in the scenario could suggest they are also available outside of the scenario.

I was sceptical, but I must admit this pretty much wins me over. I would say Italy is in as one of the 9 new civs, while Belgium is not.

 

[Kerath]

Where you can find official news about unveiled civs? Not on the BNW website, there's only preview and features...

Edit: found the sticky, not the leaks.

 

[Dragonflow]

Can't say if any of the achievements really point towards Italy form what I've seen.

 

[Uberfrog]

That is a good point. They only need to specify the scenario in the achievement if the Civ is not in the main game. So it's persuasive, if not conclusive: achievement wording is just achievement wording, after all.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

I'm gunna go ahead and blow everyone's mind right now.

The Pueblo are STILL not ruled out.

 

[UkrNixon]

I'm gunna go ahead and blow everyone's mind right now.

The Pueblo are STILL not ruled out.

Why do you think so?

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

Why do you think so?

They fit alphabetically after Portugal and Poland in the achievements list.

And they were never conclusively ruled out before, only Pope was mentioned as being cut, the rest was all inferred.

 

[Dragonflow]

Silk Road - Connect to the Arabs, China, India, the Mongols, and Persia at the same time using Caravans.

I guess this confirms that there will be no Silk Road civ then.

 

[UkrNixon]

They fit alphabetically after Portugal and Poland in the achievements list.

And they were never conclusively ruled out before, only Pope was mentioned as being cut, the rest was all inferred.

Well, you may be right. But pueblos refused to give the voice actor for Pope, how would Firaxis voice any other of thier leaders?

 

[cybrxkhan]

Well, you may be right. But pueblos refused to give the voice actor for Pope, how would Firaxis voice any other of thier leaders?

The objection to Pope was more so because Pope was a spiritual leader besides a political one - having him in would be like having Mohammed lead the Arabian civilization. While I still don't think the Pueblo are likely to be in, if they were, some have suggested they might use a more modern, less revered (but still respected) leader.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

Well, you may be right. But pueblos refused to give the voice actor for Pope, how would Firaxis voice any other of thier leaders?

I've heard it said that it was something to do with Pope being a spiritual leader or medicine man as well as a political leader. In that case all they need to do is find a leader without heavy religious ties.

Seeing as we don't know their precise reasoning for declining to voice Pope, it is an enormous leap to suggest that they applied this to all of the figures of their history too.

 

[cybrxkhan]

I've heard it said that it was something to do with Pope being a spiritual leader or medicine man as well as a political leader. In that case all they need to do is find a leader without heavy religious ties.

Seeing as we don't know their precise reasoning for declining to voice Pope, it is an enormous leap to suggest that they applied this to all of the figures of their history too.

Personally I interpreted their statement as "The Pueblo were a civilization we were working on, and we had all these great ideas for them", implying that they were no longer working on having a Pueblo civ meaning they won't have a Pueblo civ, but I could be wrong, the quote was so long ago I forgot.

 

[Dragonflow]

Am I the only one who's kinda confused that Morocco has no Scramble for Afrcia scenario?
It'll be kinda odd if they are in the game, but not in the scenario.

 

[UkrNixon]

Personally I interpreted their statement as "The Pueblo were a civilization we were working on, and we had all these great ideas for them", implying that they were no longer working on having a Pueblo civ meaning they won't have a Pueblo civ, but I could be wrong, the quote was so long ago I forgot.

These are exactly my thoughts.

 

[UkrNixon]

Am I the only one who's kinda confused that Morocco has no Scramble for Afrcia scenario?
It'll be kinda odd if they are in the game, but not in the scenario.

We still don't know most of the civs from SfA, Morocco may just not have their own achievement for it.

 

[alpha2117]

In another (highly unlikely) UA set up which I've spitballed around here before, imagine if the UA is that Italy alone may have the Piety and Rationalism trees open simultaneously.

That was always a ridiculous exclusion anyway. In most societies religious scholars did much of the early scientific work. The Egyptians engineering feats were largely brought about by their religious beliefs same with the Mayans. A monk worked out the early chromosome theories, I could go on and on.