BTS Roleplay Challange: Roosevelt

[LiberiGlacialis]

ROFL, I feel like I'm jumping on a bandwagon....

Anyways, I feel like improving my game. And what better way then giving my self a handicap a la Slobberingbear's Roleplay Challenge? I'm only a Warlord right now, no where near Slobbering or Sisiutil skill level. But, hey, we all started off low level/bad at this, right? *hides*

*comes out of hiding* Okay, for this game, I will play as the Americans (no, not the native ones, the crazy ones), with the Leader being Roosevelt. I've used on of his traits, but the other, so it'll be interesting for me. Roosevelt's traits are Industrious and Organized, allowing speedy Wonders, Forges, Lighthouses, and Courthouses, as well as a reduction in civic costs for us. Woo, we can REx a bit without worrying too much about Civics...

Trying to figure out if this is enough handicaps, though...

1 - Free Religion. We go with the Free Religion Civic as soon as we can, and never take a state religion. Ever. Not even to please allies.
2 - Freedom comes first! We do not take "Dictatorship" or "Communist" civics (State Proporty, Police State, Theocracy, Despotism {when we can leave it}) Yes, we can take Slavery. There was slaves in America, if anyone stayed half awake in History class would know.
3 - Industry is Prioritized. come first. Metals and other resources come first for working/improving. buildings get built "first" (READ: Culture gets made if we need culture to keep the city, happiness/health if we need the cap raised, military when we're getting ready to "peacekeep"/defend, but otherwise we crank out things like Forges)
4 - For peace! Diplomacy (UN)/Culture/Space Race (in vaguly that order) are the victories to go for.

still need a diplo one for Roosevelt, though....I think, of course....

 

[LiberiGlacialis]

The sun rises on the young band of settlers. Mr. Liberi Glacialis and his council of elders sit in a clearing in the forest discussing the pros and cons of settling his people in one location, permently, for the first time since time immemorial, and wondering if this is a good idea. The other members of the American tribe wait for there to get there say in on this very, very important choice, one greater then all the others.

One man, a rough, heavy set warrior of the tribe, walks up to the gathered tribesmen and women. He bows to them all, and presents his findings. "Mr. Glacialis, members of the council, tribesmen and women, we have made our preliminary scouting of the area. We are surrounded by good Forests to all sides, and one just to the north holds an odd plant. It is spicy to the taste, but the taste is rather enjoyable, not toxic in anyway. What are your orders, council? What are your orders, tribesmen and women?"

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Game Starting:

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Type: Fractial
Seas: Low
Climate: Rocky (so it's stacking the deck a little, quiet)
Start: Default (ancient)
Speed: Epic

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Start Location

Roosevelt's Start Screen

World Stats

Yea, I use a window...

 

[madscientist]

Damn, I was thinking of doing this for Washington, but that's OK. My games take so long people would fall asleep.

Here are my ideas for the Americans, some agree with you.

1) I agree about religions. Never adopt a state religion, but spreading established religions are OK. America is about freedom or religion, just not a state religion. Also, no researching a tech that founds a religion until it is founded by another AI. Also do not build the AP (only industrious exception) and if captured, always abstain in voting for yourself.

2) I agree about most of the civics. Roosevelt should never adopt Heritary rule (no king in America), police state, any state religion civic, communism. Once you get democracy you must stick with emancipation.

3) I agree about production to an extent, but America has the great plains and great fishing industry, plus great towns. America should not be limited to production.

Add Ons!

4) America can never raze a city, but incorporate it as a new state. Never produce a colony. Vassalaging Ais is encouraged, and they should be treated with respect as a new state giving them all known techs, fair trades, and 50% of the treasury. However, a vassalaged AI is NEVER allowed to rebel and must be brought into the union at all costs. This includes voluntary AI's (Catherine does this alot), and war must follow if they try to break away.

5) Manifest destiny: You must control your starting continent by the end of the game to win, either through owning the cities or vassalage.

6) Liberalism/Constitution/democracy: Loved by Americans. These techs must be traded or given to all AIs (even hated enemies) once teched. At this point you can only trade with AIs that adopt emancipation. Teching up to these should be a priority without sacrificing military.

7) All corporations must be founded, this can be done by the 4 compatible ones in city A, and the other 3 in city B. No wall street in city A is livable considering the Amercians have a good UB for dealing with corps. To guarentee you get this all appropriate great people must be saved (2 engineers, 2 scientists, 2 merchants, 1 artist) which means you may want to be first to music/economics/physics.

8) Diplomacy (this is how I view Washington, not really Roosevelt): America should not be pushed into any war and must refuse even a friend to join some elses war. Likewise America does not like to told who to trade with, so they must refuse any demand to stop trading with another AI. Given no state religion or heritary rule, I think the Americans are not going to be liked arround the world (how's that for a realistic game!!!!).

Any victory condition except diplo though the AP is fine as long as you obtain your manifest destiney.

Now, this is your game so these are suggestions. I have thought about this a bit and these are what I would have done with Washington.

 

[LiberiGlacialis]

Found All Corps? Nah, found at least one. Probably Creative Construtions, Sid's Sushi McDonalds, or something to that effect.

No Razing, Fair to Vassals I like. *adds*

Give away "freedom" techs I like as well. *adds*

Manifest Destiny? Well, Sea to Shining Sea, at least. (Canada isn't America, is it? )

Diplo: Yea, except we bring the full weight of American Military to aid our friends. (and we give back cities owned by friend that we liberate).

Err...Industry, unless it's obvious to a fault we can do better with massive farms/cottage spam urban sprawl?

 

[madscientist]

Found All Corps? Nah, found at least one. Probably Creative Construtions, Sid's Sushi McDonalds, or something to that effect.

No Razing, Fair to Vassals I like. *adds*

Give away "freedom" techs I like as well. *adds*

Manifest Destiny? Well, Sea to Shining Sea, at least. (Canada isn't America, is it? )

Diplo: Yea, except we bring the full weight of American Military to aid our friends. (and we give back cities owned by friend that we liberate).

OK, greta. I like the idea of returning captured friends cities, nice touch. I still think Corporations are made for America though, we don't have a state religion but damn we worship the almighty dollar!

 

[LiberiGlacialis]

Okay, okay, as many as we can...yes, yes we do worship that almighty dollar.

So...

1 - Free Religion
2 - Freedom!
3 - Industry > Commerse/Food (to a point)
4 - Diplo (UN)/Culture/Space Race
5 - No Razing. Liberate cities back to friends.
6 - Help out friends in war.
7 - BUILD CORPOATIONS
8 - Manifest Destiny!
9 - Capitalize! (Sell/trade techs, extra resources, whatever needed)

 

[madscientist]

Okay, okay, as many as we can...yes, yes we do worship that almighty dollar.

So...

1 - Free Religion
2 - Freedom!
3 - Industry > Commerse/Food (to a point)
4 - Diplo (UN)/Culture/Space Race
5 - No Razing. Liberate cities back to friends.
6 - Help out friends in war.
7 - BUILD CORPOATIONS
8 - Manifest Destiny!
9 - Capitalize! (Sell/trade techs, extra resources, whatever needed)

Sounds like a plan.

 

[VoiceOfUnreason]

Wheel Chariots!

 

[LiberiGlacialis]

Alright. *points to second post* Got it already started up (haven't moved yet). I'm sorry for the horrendous quality of the screenshots, I'll improve them in the first round (or try to)...

Voice: Wheel Chariots? In that start? Err....

 

[xanadux]

One more thing, as Roosevelt, Building Three Gorges Dam (representing the Tennessee Valley Authority) should be required for victory. Since Roosevelt is Industrious, it should also be appropriate to require the SoL and Pentagon to be built. Also Fascism cannot be researched, but must be traded for at earliest opportunity to build Mt. Rushmore.

As for the war requirements, I like accepting any request to go to war if the target borders America (manifest destiny) ... America has had a long history of expansive wars near it's own territory. No intercontinental war allowed except for following 3 scenarios:

1: We are friendly with an AI on other continent, and they are in danger of losing a war ... must completely mobilize to defend friend and fight until villain is vassalized (WW II)

2. If intercontinental empire is annoyed or worse with America, and this empire adopts State Property, and this empire has a colony or vassal, this colony must be immediately converted to emancipation, and failing that, must fight a war with colony or vassal. This war must continue until target capitulates and changes to emancipation, or war weariness becomes bad enough (cold war, korea, vietnam). Would have to decide how bad bad enough is for war weariness ... but it should be pretty extreme.

3. If any building in one of America's cities is destroyed by a spy, this triggers immediate war with the offending nation or most likely overseas suspect. This war must continue until enemy's capital is captured. In addition, a spy must be built and stationed in every American city for terrorism defense.

 

[LiberiGlacialis]

Err...we already have 9 restrictions...and they may help out the builder, we go to war to help friends. In Peace Civics. Err....we're not all wacky like Bush Jr. Though snagging SoL, Three Gorges, and other "American" wonders is a good idea...

 

[madscientist]

One more thing, as Roosevelt, Building Three Gorges Dam (representing the Tennessee Valley Authority) should be required for victory. Since Roosevelt is Industrious, it should also be appropriate to require the SoL and Pentagon to be built. Also Fascism cannot be researched, but must be traded for at earliest opportunity to build Mt. Rushmore.

As for the war requirements, I like accepting any request to go to war if the target borders America (manifest destiny) ... America has had a long history of expansive wars near it's own territory. No intercontinental war allowed except for following 3 scenarios:

1: We are friendly with an AI on other continent, and they are in danger of losing a war ... must completely mobilize to defend friend and fight until villain is vassalized (WW II)

2. If intercontinental empire is annoyed or worse with America, and this empire adopts State Property, and this empire has a colony or vassal, this colony must be immediately converted to emancipation, and failing that, must fight a war with colony or vassal. This war must continue until target capitulates and changes to emancipation, or war weariness becomes bad enough (cold war, korea, vietnam). Would have to decide how bad bad enough is for war weariness ... but it should be pretty extreme.

3. If any building in one of America's cities is destroyed by a spy, this triggers immediate war with the offending nation or most likely overseas suspect. This war must continue until enemy's capital is captured. In addition, a spy must be built and stationed in every American city for terrorism defense.

Interesting on the war options. My original thinking is how I would have played Washington who'e diplomacy is defeinitely different from Roosevelt or Lincoln. Washington defeinitely wanted to stay our of other nation's business, especially outside the American continent. Roosevelt on teh other hand......

As far as the Dam, isn't that a projest related to the Yangtze river in China and not an American thing.

I agree about Facism. SoL and Pentagon should be started immediately but not required for victory (these are not essential to the American civilization, compared with Stonehenge to Celts, or at least how we Civ Fanatics view it). Mount Rushmore should nto be essential, especially if Fascism cannot be teched.

 

[madscientist]

LiberiGlacialis, you may want to wait on starting the game and deciding conditions until giving everyone a chance to chime in.

 

[LiberiGlacialis]

Um...it is....>> <snips off this ever growing this>

EDIT: Ad I already did start it. Didn't do anything to it, just started and posted it.

 

[Firewind]

I'd say that SoL is most definitely essential to American culture - when I think of America the third major thing to come to mind is the Statue of Liberty (The first is my girlfriend, whom Firaxis declined to include as a Wonder of the World , the second is 9/11, which is more of a tragedy than a wonder)

Maybe make it essential to build EITHER SoL OR Pentagon, but not necessarily both? I dunno, just throwing out ideas.

 

[madscientist]

And we haven't talked about nukes yet!!!! This is Roosevelt, and I think he should be required to let the genie out of the bottle

 

[LiberiGlacialis]

Scientist: Roosevelt didn't drop the nuke. The next pres did. The Manhattan Project was made during his presidency, though.

Firewind: Or something like that, right?

 

[madscientist]

Scientist: Roosevelt didn't drop the nuke. The next pres did. The Manhattan Project was made during his presidency, though.

EXactly, he let the genie out by building it. And you can bet he would have dropped it if he hadn't died in office.

 

[LiberiGlacialis]

Alright, so...

1 - Free Religion: We take Free Religion ASAP, and never, ever, take a State Religion (nothing stops us from founding one, though. It's just not a high priority).

2 - Freedom: We take "freedom" civics (Emancipation, Free Speach, Free Market, Free Religion, Representation, yadayadayada) as they come up, and never take "commie" civics (State Prop, Police State, Mercitilism, Theo., ect.)

3 - Industry > Food/Commerce (to a point)

4 - For the Greater Good!: Win "peacefully" (Diplomatic (UN League of Nations), Culture, Space)

5 - Manifest Destiny: We stretch of Sea to Shining Sea, any means nessecarry (REx, he we come....This trumps the next restriction)

6 - Defensive: Go to war if attacked, or to help out struggling friends. We never raze what we attack, but keep it or liberate it back to it's original owner. (Provided, of course, the old owner isn't the one who attacked us)

7 - Wondershot: Go for the American Wonders (SoL, Pentagon, Apollo Project, Manhattan Project, Broadway, Rock and Roll, Hollywood), snagging one before we win. Also, shoot for every Corp Headquarters.

8 - Diplomacy of the Dollar - Unless they've attacked us AND are not "free", we'll trade with them. Capitalism at it's finest, remember?

That good?

 

[madscientist]

Alright, so...



That good?

OK by me except for mercantilism, which is Roosevelts favorite civic. America is capitalistic but histocially we have been isolationist too (we voted against the League of Nations because of that countrywide belief).