BTS Roleplay Challange: Roosevelt

[LiberiGlacialis]

(ROFL: I start with New Frontier - Iron Maiden while typing this up, and it randos to Run for the Hills)
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The council debates, then votes on where to go. America's finest, the First Brigade, march off soon after, to search for new lands and possible resources. They already know there orders: Discover the world. The people of this intrepid new civilization pack up there things, and march westward, deeper into the forests they called home.

The descion to move westward was not taken lightly. They knew little of the land around them, even with the First's preliminary scouting. They wanted, however, to take a chance. Within 25 years, all of the settlers make it. And not wanting to move anymore, they settle down...
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Woohoo! Spice and Rice within the BFC, and Marble just outside. Must...start....teching....Mining....

I send the First north, onto the mountains in an attempt to increase sight. Why didn't I pop the hut right off? Well, read the RP coming up. The tactic doesn't work (lots of hills), but it does cough up something else...
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The burly warriors of the First Brigade march through the hills and small mountains north of the just formed Washington. Small tendril of smoke just on the horizon, peaking over the forest canopy tell them what has occurred. The council has settled. Now, there work begins.

Moving north into the mountains was for two reasons. Firstly, one crazy soldier had the idea that going into the hills would allow them to scout further ahead. The other was to respect there ancestral neighbors, a small tribe who gathered and traded with the Americans before the latter got the idea to settle once and for all. But, oddly, just to the north of them was another tribe.

This tribe was also somewhat pale of skin, just like the Americans and there sister tribe. However, they seemed a little settled. Once of them was even sitting at an odd device. It seemed to be made of two wheels, one small and the other large. The man kicked the large wheel to get the device spinning, and placed a blob of a brownish material on the smaller. The villagers of this tribe don't seem hostile to the Brigade, so the leaders of it watch the man work.

With skillful fingers and some water, the man turns the blob of material into a wonderful bowl. The Brigade had never seen such skill, and are amazed by this man's prowess with this material. The man looks up from his creation to see the hearty men amazed by his ability. "Have you never seen someone make a clay pot? Come, let me teach you the secrets."
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...And we get Pottery! Yea, one less thing to research, and one new task for the Workers Engineering Core Members. We circle the Warriors around the peaks, and find some more Marble (which may = cash/resources later. Hey, I'm a capitalist at heart.)

Some turns later, our city borders pop, popping the hut incorporating our sister tribe into the fold. And guess what they knew...

They could hunt?!? Grr....But we can now mine as well (if it isn't obvious). A small shift to our building setup (Warrior -> Scout -> Settler -> Worker), and on we go.

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A growl, and then a roar sounds off near the slightly roughed up First Brigade. "Lions, my fellow warriors, once more it's lions. To the hills, we'll gain the advantage."
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The second lion to run into for the Fighting First. And before the first Lion, another tribe, who gives us gold. They win this fight, and gain a promotion! I choose Strength 1, though should I have chosen CR1 or Wood1?

As the Brigade fights off the Lions, the First City Defense Force is built, followed by currently-nameless Scouts. I'd have a screenshot of this, if I hadn't screwed then up. (Ctrl-V! Ctrl-V! Not Fn-Del!)

The Scouts go south-southeast (and get jumped by wolves, but they live), the warriors more torwards the west. We learn BW by turn 25, and I stopped there (mainly for screwing up screenshots).

World Map:

I'm building a Settler now, and am going to send our Bostonians to Coppertown flag, to settle nearby. Should I build another to go north to the Marble/Cows?

Tech Tree:

Huh? I have the Wheel already? Well, I'll take it. Currently in anarchy to go to Slavery, and will start Researching Myst once I get out of the chaos. Or should I go for Masonry, due to the nearby Marble? And I have a funny feeling someone's close by...

(and if I really screwed up, can someone please tell me? This is my first shot at this... <<;;; )

 

[madscientist]

Very nice start. My suggestion is based on my earlier advice, turn Washington into a Wonder producing city and get NEW YORK into producing military and settlers. I would suggest Stonehenge, then focus on oracle and slingshot to metal casting for the cheap forges. If you want the Parthenon (marble, industrious who wouldn't) I suggest building it in another city so you do not pollute the GP points with GAs.

Good Luck!

 

[njorls]

I always try to get a Woodsman II warrior ASAP. Then they can explore forests faster. They most likely wind up being faster than scouts.

Have you built a worker yet? You didn't mention it in your writeup. I always build a worker before a settler.

Coppertown doesn't look all that good judging by the surrounding tiles, not much for extra food except Sugar at Calendar. Maybe exploring the fog around it will show a better city site.

 

[madscientist]

I always try to get a Woodsman II warrior ASAP. Then they can explore forests faster. They most likely wind up being faster than scouts.

Have you built a worker yet? You didn't mention it in your writeup. I always build a worker before a settler.

Coppertown doesn't look all that good judging by the surrounding tiles, not much for extra food except Sugar at Calendar. Maybe exploring the fog around it will show a better city site.

I gotta agree, Coppertown probably should go SE (if not better by fogbusting). You will need to wait until the culture border pop to get copper access but in the long run it will be a much better city with access to the rice and bananas.

 

[LiberiGlacialis]

Yea, I should explore around the Copper....At least to be able to snag it with minimal "ah, crappit" set up. I don't want another civ to get it, if there IS one out there (and there probably is. I haven't been on a piece of land this big without at least one neighbor).

I think the Settler would be a little better then the Worker at this point. And, no, I haven't built one yet (must get to it!). It'll let me get at least the second source of Marble, if we can't find a good spot for the copper (that flag is only a general location). I REx a little too much, so I have to cut that out...>>

Scientist: Oh, come now. Boston can't be the second city? (And Coppertown 1SE not only gets Banana, Rice, and Copper, but Sugar as well, I think....)

 

[njorls]

I think the Settler would be a little better then the Worker at this point.

Why? You want to improve the tiles in your capital ASAP. A worker to improve the rice and mine a hill or two will do more for your civ than 2 cities with 0 workers will. And a worker can chop (I go for riverside forest tiles first) so you can get the settler out faster.

 

[LiberiGlacialis]

Like I said, I need to break that habit of mine. So swap to Worker, then chop out the rest of the Settler?

 

[njorls]

Worker should improve the rice first, then you can chop a grassland forested hill by the riverside and put a mine there after it's chopped.

 

[KMadCandy]

I think the Settler would be a little better then the Worker at this point. And, no, I haven't built one yet (must get to it!). It'll let me get at least the second source of Marble, if we can't find a good spot for the copper (that flag is only a general location). I REx a little too much, so I have to cut that out...>>

Scientist: Oh, come now. Boston can't be the second city? (And Coppertown 1SE not only gets Banana, Rice, and Copper, but Sugar as well, I think....)

i'd go worker before settler, your workers know how to chop so they'll speed up settlers, the settlers won't speed up worker-making til they get where they're going. he'll have a ways to travel anyway and need an escort or fog-busting path, so that's further delay for the worker.

agree on shifting coppertown to get more food.

i'd not go for marble in the second city. a second source of marble + 1 new resource (cows) vs. 4 new resources (maybe, can't tell if you can get all 4 in the actual cross) with one of them copper is decidedly the copper site for me.

i'd want to fogbust near coppertown and then in the desert/floodplain area next, hoping for gold in them thar (flood)plains, to help with commerce. it's getting far from the capital for this early, so it might not be city #3. but it is really helpful so if it's there, we want to know about it!

ps i missed this thread until today, dunno how. a sub-forum would help wouldn't it! *giggle* and you have Roosevelt spelled wrong in your sig oopsies. i don't go thru with a red pen, i make mistakes often enough myself, but in a sig that shows up every post, probably worth correcting

 

[LiberiGlacialis]

KMad: Hello! *looks at sig* I did? *goes off to fix while his current torrent acts up on him*

Okay, so Worker first, fog bust Coppertown for city #3 or whatever, and follow current tech path? (Myst -> Poly (for Oracle) -> Masonry? Iron? AH? -> ???)

 

[Gamesmaster]

You need priesthood for the oracle unless they changes it in BTS.

 

[LiberiGlacialis]

So, Myst -> Meditation (cheaper of the two needed) -> Preist -> Iron? -> ???

(I'll probably do the next round over the weekend, as right now I'm trying to pirate legitly download a program I want)

 

[njorls]

You also need Animal Husbandry. Especially if you found a city with cows, sheep or pigs in the fat cross. Mysticism is a good choice for your next tech, iron working may be able to wait if you get copper in your fat cross.

If you get copper you can try skipping iron working altogether and research writing and alphabet. You'll need at least 2 neighbors, then see if you can trade alphabet for iron working.

 

[Gamesmaster]

The marble/cow city looks like its very marginal terrain, however the marble south of Washington looks like i may have more suitable terrain (only fogbusting will tell) my suggestion would be go south for the marble town.

As for the tech research, and this is only a suggestion, if you are going to settle coppertown next i think iron working and animal husbandry can be delayed, i would suggest writing next so as and when the rabble starts showing up you can open borders and start cultivating diplomacy from the get go.

I really hope Roosevelt isnt a lonelyheart© could make a diplomatic victory difficult.

 

[LiberiGlacialis]

It's Fractal, so it's possible. But I've never been on something this big and not run into someone. Then again....I've never been a lonely heart in Civ IV yet, either...

Myst would get me the Monument and a belatted shot at Stonehenge, at the very least. So that, then Writing/whatever?

 

[Gamesmaster]

Mysticism/Meditation/Priesthood/Writing would be my suggestion.

A thought just occured to me while i was writing this. Coppertown is gonna be in the Jungle which would make Iron Working more attractive so maybe IW instead of Writing

If you plan on building the Oracle and with the Marble and chops it does seem a good plan perhaps you should consider what tech you want to pull from the Oracle and direct your research toward that.

Metal Casting for cheap forges or CoL for cheap courthouses both go with Roosevelts traits

 

[madscientist]

Metal Casting for cheap forges or CoL for cheap courthouses both go with Roosevelts traits

Metal casting takes alot longer to tech so you will enjoy the early forge benefit over the AI alot longer than the courthouses. On the other hand an free early religion is nothing to throw away, especially since it's through the oracle you are very likely to pop a Great prophet for the Shrine.

Roosevelt is the only leader with that choice. Given your start I would lean more towards COL for confuscism, bu neither is a bad choice.

 

[LiberiGlacialis]

Well, the religion helps out (access to temples and the like, a good source of Culture and Happy), but don't forget, I can't take up a State Religion, nor can I take up any Religion Civic except Free Religion. So I can't get the Production/Extra Happy bonuses. Woo....

Metal Casting works better, challenge wise, as it puts Industry first, and Religion isn't that big a deal for us (well, it's good to get a lot of them, but lets first see if someone else is here.) But then again, having a Holy City.....grah.

*was going to do the first three techs, then figure out from there*

 

[madscientist]

Well, the religion helps out (access to temples and the like, a good source of Culture and Happy), but don't forget, I can't take up a State Religion, nor can I take up any Religion Civic except Free Religion. So I can't get the Production/Extra Happy bonuses. Woo....

Metal Casting works better, challenge wise, as it puts Industry first, and Religion isn't that big a deal for us (well, it's good to get a lot of them, but lets first see if someone else is here.) But then again, having a Holy City.....grah.

*was going to do the first three techs, then figure out from there*

OOPs, forgot it was a role playing game for a minute. Metal Casting without a doubt. Much easier to tech COL.

 

[Gamesmaster]

Happy is going to be of concern in this game, no Hereditary Rule, only 2 resources visible so far, no stone for the Pyramids (Representaion) a religion or 2 merely for the happy (temples) maybe worth considering.

That being said i think madscientist is right about Metal Casting, it is harder to tech than CoL and since you will never have the *free OR forge* makes it an even more attractive choice from the Oracle.