Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
It looks like Scout gets to lead our D-Day invasion.
I think we should probably save the leader for ToE.
I think we should probably save the leader for ToE.
Bugs1 - The League of Ordinary Gentlemen
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yoshi74
Tourist from Mars
I doubt our leaders can rush great wonders, when i interpret this quote from Gengis:
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When i'am wrong at this, Gengis may correct me
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Otherwise we should decide between a small wonder and an army.
Italics by me
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When i'am wrong at this, Gengis may correct me
.Otherwise we should decide between a small wonder and an army.
scoutsout
Minstrel Boy
@ Yoshi - nice eye! 
I'll wait for Gengis to weigh in ... but even if I do make an army, I'll leave it empty. We don't even have Cavalry yet, do we?
While we're waiting on GK and Bede to offer comments, I'm going to see if I can't scrounge up a little "mood music" for operation silkworm...
I'll wait for Gengis to weigh in ... but even if I do make an army, I'll leave it empty. We don't even have Cavalry yet, do we? While we're waiting on GK and Bede to offer comments, I'm going to see if I can't scrounge up a little "mood music" for operation silkworm...
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
In that case, I like Scout's idea of a Military Academy to use Armies as a pre-build.
I'd say build it in NYC since it presently has 20 uncorrupted SPT and that will get better with rails.
Edit - Now that peace has taken over - We're starting to catch the PTW team... They're at 1325 AD, we're at 1100 Ad.
I'd say build it in NYC since it presently has 20 uncorrupted SPT and that will get better with rails.
Edit - Now that peace has taken over - We're starting to catch the PTW team... They're at 1325 AD, we're at 1100 Ad.
Invisible Rhino
Prince
Hey guys this is an awesome story thread I've been following it for about a week now and checking in on the saves. You know you can make an embassy with Persia now, right? I'm not trying to give advice really since you are all so much better than me I just was wondering if it even mattered to you.
By the way....what does MM mean?
Keep up the great work!!! I think I'll try a normal game along these lines!
By the way....what does MM mean?
Keep up the great work!!! I think I'll try a normal game along these lines!
Armies make great pre-builds, and are also a neat way to transfer production to corrupt or shield poor locations for those times when the cash situation makes cash rushes tough. You take a hit on the conversion but it is sometimes useful when you have nothing more useful to do in your MilAcad city.
So if we have a leader use it for the MilAcad in our shield richest city. We have already built Heroic Epic, no?
Good job, Bugs. And, Isabella in her new frock is just stunning!! I'd dance with her in the Party Lounge!
InRhino, welcome to the adventures of this motley crew. and MM stands for micro-management: the art or science, of assigning citizens to those tiles that make the greatest contribution to the objectives for a particular city. It plays a really big role in Conquests because of the power of the specialists, although it is crucial in the other versions as well.
So if we have a leader use it for the MilAcad in our shield richest city. We have already built Heroic Epic, no?
Good job, Bugs. And, Isabella in her new frock is just stunning!! I'd dance with her in the Party Lounge!
InRhino, welcome to the adventures of this motley crew. and MM stands for micro-management: the art or science, of assigning citizens to those tiles that make the greatest contribution to the objectives for a particular city. It plays a really big role in Conquests because of the power of the specialists, although it is crucial in the other versions as well.
scoutsout
Minstrel Boy
Though this is a "got it", I'm listening to my "mood music" and will probably check the thread again after my pre-flight check...
I have settled on the soundtrack from the motion picture Glory (performed by the Harlem Boys Choir). "A Call to Arms" is playing at this writing... after which I will skip forward to "Preparations for Battle" and "Charging Fort Wagner". No gentleman could listen to this music without something stirring deep within his soul....
It appears the League has reached a consensus that it would be appropo to rush the Military Academy in a high-shield city, most likely New York. Although it seems blasphemous for General Lee to found this institution in New York, it does seem fitting that the young gentlemen of our civilization are afforded an education in the profession of arms.
Edit: @ Invisible Rhino: "MM" refers to "MicroManaging"...
I have settled on the soundtrack from the motion picture Glory (performed by the Harlem Boys Choir). "A Call to Arms" is playing at this writing... after which I will skip forward to "Preparations for Battle" and "Charging Fort Wagner". No gentleman could listen to this music without something stirring deep within his soul....
It appears the League has reached a consensus that it would be appropo to rush the Military Academy in a high-shield city, most likely New York. Although it seems blasphemous for General Lee to found this institution in New York, it does seem fitting that the young gentlemen of our civilization are afforded an education in the profession of arms.
Edit: @ Invisible Rhino: "MM" refers to "MicroManaging"...
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
Go Navy! Beat Army!
denyd
Emperor
What is the strange building you keep speaking of, this "Military Academy", we of the PTW version have preferred to play a more gentlemanly game, with only an occaisional thumping of the local bully (Shaka, Monty, Toku, Caesar, Otto & Abu). We will soon find it necessary to remove the barbarian Xerxes, to prevent him from badgering any of the lovely maidens. Then it will be time to offer the ladies a ride on our shiny new spaceship.
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
The Military Academies produce fine gentlemen. Congress even approves of their gentlemen status. I happen to be a product of Canoe U on the Severn. I guess that shoots that theory full of holes doesn't it.
denyd
Emperor
It's those lies and fabrications spread by those ruffians we disposed of, they tainted the fair maidens opinion of us, but with gifts of furs and gems we will win back their favor.
Apologies as to the aspersions on the fine officers and gentlemen who matriculate from these fine institutions, its just puzzling as to how one acquires the ability to build theses structures. Ive heard rumors of large groups of men who fight battles as unit, but they require wasting a valuable Great Leader, who has proved much more useful to us in attaining Wonders of the World. Of course that mighy mean you actually prefer the engagement in armed combat to the pure pursuits of science and the arts.
As always (with tongue firmly planted in cheek) best of luck in your battles
Apologies as to the aspersions on the fine officers and gentlemen who matriculate from these fine institutions, its just puzzling as to how one acquires the ability to build theses structures. Ive heard rumors of large groups of men who fight battles as unit, but they require wasting a valuable Great Leader, who has proved much more useful to us in attaining Wonders of the World. Of course that mighy mean you actually prefer the engagement in armed combat to the pure pursuits of science and the arts.
As always (with tongue firmly planted in cheek) best of luck in your battles
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
I think it is due to the plethora of leaders we had due to the numerous battles we fought defending the honor of the fair maidens.
scoutsout
Minstrel Boy
Boy, now that's a dubious endorsement if I ever heard one...
I should be careful...because there's a story of an Executive Order and a "funny hat" in my checkered past...Why are we still researching at 10%? Are we going to crank this up soon?
Okay - Pre-flight check... Joan is the only one who will trade us Military Tradition, and she wants our WM, our treasury and 80gpt. We're gonna have to wait on that one.
Treasury at +97gpt, research and lux @ 10%, Steam Power in 36 turns.
City Check
Brownsville, Univ. in 3, hire a Scientist...scratch that...move a citizen to a riverside tile...
St. Louis mm citizen to mined plains for bank 2 turns faster
Wilmington, similar move, aqueduct 2 turns sooner
Pittsburg, cut 5 turns off Market build
Cut 4 turns off market build in Chapel Hill
Hire a couple of tax collectors in Mexico City
Shave 1 turn off Cathedral in Washington
Shave 3 turns off Bank in Halle
Shave 5 turns off Market build in Southend
Shave a turn off the library build in Des Moines
Pensacola Beach is maxed in population w/o an aqueduct, only one citizen working coast.. corrupt. Switch Harbor build to market.
Shave 2 turns off bank build in Coeur d'Alene
Everybody is Happy in Atlanta... building Cathedral...hmmm...
Shave a turn off the market build in East Rutherford
shave 2 turns off bank build in Seattle
Cut Library build in Annapolis to 11 turns from 22. Go Navy. Heh. Plebes are illiterate here...
Cut Library build in Rockaway Beach to 12 turns from 28
Some of these moves will slow growth in a couple of cities, but many of our cities are at or near capacity. I hope the long and short-term boost to the the treasury and research helps. We're now at +100 gpt, and we're going to get a few markets and banks sooner...
Sir Bugsy
Civ.D.
That one kind of answered itself. I imagine we'll be able to start self research soon, but for now it is actually cheaper to buy from the AI.
If you get enough $$$, you might be able to get a two or three-fer. Buy steam, then resell it to someone for medicine, and someone else for Mil Trad, and a fourth party for Nationalism (this last one isn't likely since nationalism is very expensive.)
scoutsout
Minstrel Boy
Fellow Gentlemen,
Although I have not yet actually played my first turn in this round, I feel it is imprortant to inform you all of an upcoming party that I have organized on your behalf. It seems that our dear friend Joan has had a falling out with her next door neighbor. In the IBT before my first turn, she announced that she and Xerxes were officially having a lovers' quarrel.
I apologize in advance for the libations, I fear the gin must be bruised a bit. But since this promises to be a rather raucous party, I felt the martinis would be better served shaken rather than stirred.
Recognizing an opportunity to improve our standing in the community, I have taken the liberty of organizing a small drop-in party for the jilted X-man. The party is to be held at his house. Please review the attached invitation and let me know if I have neglected anyone of standing before I send these out.
Please accept my apologies for sending these invitations with the weekend upon us, but as a great bard once said "There's a mighty thin line between Saturday night and Sunday mornin'!"
I enclose the invitation on the next page for your consideration. Please RSVP to the soon-to-be-built Military Academy, New York.
Yours very truly,
-Scout
Although I have not yet actually played my first turn in this round, I feel it is imprortant to inform you all of an upcoming party that I have organized on your behalf. It seems that our dear friend Joan has had a falling out with her next door neighbor. In the IBT before my first turn, she announced that she and Xerxes were officially having a lovers' quarrel.
I apologize in advance for the libations, I fear the gin must be bruised a bit. But since this promises to be a rather raucous party, I felt the martinis would be better served shaken rather than stirred.
Recognizing an opportunity to improve our standing in the community, I have taken the liberty of organizing a small drop-in party for the jilted X-man. The party is to be held at his house. Please review the attached invitation and let me know if I have neglected anyone of standing before I send these out.
Please accept my apologies for sending these invitations with the weekend upon us, but as a great bard once said "There's a mighty thin line between Saturday night and Sunday mornin'!"
I enclose the invitation on the next page for your consideration. Please RSVP to the soon-to-be-built Military Academy, New York.
Yours very truly,
-Scout
scoutsout
Minstrel Boy
scoutsout
Minstrel Boy
Pre-flight check... Joan is the only one who will trade us Military Tradition, and she wants our WM, treasury and 80gpt.
Treasury at +97gpt, research and lux @ 10%, Steam Power in 36 turns.
City Check
Brownsville, Univ. in 3, hire a Scientist...scratch that...move a citizen to a riverside tile...
St. Louis mm citizen to mined plains for bank 2 turns faster
Wilmington, similar move, aqueduct 2 turns sooner
Pittsburg, cut 5 turns off Market build
Cut 4 turns off market build in Chapel Hill
Hire a couple of tax collectors in Mexico City
Shave 1 turn off Cathedral in Washington
Shave 3 turns off Bank in Halle
Shave 5 turns off Market build in Southend
Shave a turn off the library build in Des Moines
Pensacola Beach is maxed in population w/o an aqueduct, only one citizen working coast.. corrupt. Switch Harbor build to market.
Shave 2 turns off bank build in Coeur d'Alene
Everybody is Happy in Atlanta... building Cathedral...hmmm...
Shave a turn off the market build in East Rutherford
shave 2 turns off bank build in Seattle
Cut Library build in Annapolis to 11 turns from 22. Go Navy. Heh. Plebes are illiterate here...
Cut Library build in Rockaway Beach to 12 turns from 28
Some of these moves will slow growth in a couple of cities, but many of our cities are at or near capacity. I hope the long and short-term boost to the the treasury and research helps. We're now at +100 gpt
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IBT - Arab naval units move
France declares war on the Persians!
Spanish workers move around
New York Cathedral>Musket
Boston University>Bank
Chicago Bank>University
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Turn 1/1110 AD
Tradition demands that we come to the aid of Joanie. As much as it hurt$, I offer her an alliance against the X-man and 80gpt for Military Tradition...
Diplomacy -
Spices and Chemistry to Bismarck for an Alliance against Persia.
I accidentally buy a worker from Temujin for 100g+1gpt
Not what I meant to do. Mongols join in Cheaper. MA v. Persia for 140g.
Dial up Izzy, WM + Military Tradition and 100g for an alliance against the X-man.
Dial up Caesar (I can't believe he survived my last dogpile) He joins the alliance against the X-man. Straight up Military Alliance. What a cheap...
OOPS! I almost forgot to invite Cleo to the party... WM +50g +8gpt for MA v. X-man
Dang...these workers spell "stack of Doom" for jungles... I hope Bugsy left me some serious units in those ships...cause that's the only thing I've moved this turn that wasn't a worker...oh yeah - we have a leader...where's Lee... move him towards NY...
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IBT - Here we go...
Arab galleys move...Some spanish units move through our territory (surprise)
No changes to the map (yet)
WLTKD in SEVERAL of our cities...
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Turn 2/1120 AD
A little diplomacy...
Gems to Cleo for WM+ 11gpt. Really dear, we must get you the techs to get out of that bonnet. It simply doesn't become you.
Gems to Izzy for WM+50g+14gpt.
Joanie: 18g for 1gpt (an interest bearing loan for the war effort)
Let's see...much of our military is knocking on Abu's doorstep...city check
MM a citizen in New Orleans to free up a plains tile to MM a citizen to that tile in St. Louis. Gets us a bank in St. Louis 2 turns sooner, but at the cost of growth in New Orleans. Rails will fix New Orleans.
At the cost of some food, Kansas City will get a library a turn sooner.
Hmmm...putting a couple of citizens on plains tiles in Great Falls gets us a bank 2 turns sooner...
stunted growth completely in Cd'A for a Bank another turn sooner
Slow growth in Atlanta for our cathedral to be completed a turn sooner...
Why doesn't it suprise me that Daytona Beach is a corrupt cesspool...
Note - we need to re-shuffle citizens in Boston and New Bedford when we get rails....
MM a citizen in annapolis for Library in 6...I'm gonna teach these Navy boys somethin' yet
Let's see...on to actual playing now...
forestry operations near Halle
forestry operations near Atlanta
forestry operations near Des Moines
Land Troops near Medina!!!
Lee stands in New York. I'm going to let NY complete a Mustket in 2 turns, so as not to wast the shiels.
Press <Enter>
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IBT - The counterattack outside medina appears more ferocious than I expected, but maybe that's because somebody messed with the animation settings...but Abu kills a couple of our knights..
Brownsville University> Cavalry
Denver Marketplace>Aqueduct
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Turn 3/1130 AD
Diplomacy check - something with Cleo for 110gpt runs out in 4...
Renew Incense and Ivory as a package deal to Izzy for 50G+27gpt
Almost haggled with Joanie for Wines at WM+40gpt...but decide to be gentlemanly and take her original offer of WM+650g...then loan her 18g for 1gpt.
Then offer Temujin 18g+WM for 1gpt
City check... a litte mining around Chicago...
Forest chop near Hyannis...
***Battle for Medina*****+
kill a pike, promote a knight
redline a pike, lose a knight
knight kills spear x2
Knight kills MDI
Knight kills Ansar Warrior
3/5 Knight kills redlined pike...DANGIT...a 3/3 longbow, unfortified, and nothing left to attack with but wounded pikes...what to do...lose a pike, fortify everything else...
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IBT - Arab longbow kills one of our knights, arab naval unis shuffle, Arabs declare war on Mongols
LOTS of Spanish troop movement
New York Musketman>Military Academy
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Turn 4/1140 AD
We're due for another expansion of our "palace"...
Forest chops near Halle, Atlanta
Medina - again - this could get ugly - 6 units left, and one's a settler...
Knight kills a pike (where did HE come from??!?!!)
Knight kills a spear...
Knight retreats against an MDI
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IBT - Ansar Warrior kills one of our two remaining healthy Knights...Arabs 2 MDI near St. Louis....
STUPID amount of Spanish troop movement
We complete the Military Academy in Marion, AL, um, I mean, New York...
New York MA>Army
Dodge City Bank>Cav
Dallas Market>Library
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Turn 5/1150 AD
I'm not going to take medina anytime soon...time to regroup....
Diplomacy:
Egypt 18g+WM for 1gpt
Same deal for Izzy, Mongols, Bismarck
Joan takes the deal without WM
our MDI kills an Arab MDI outside St. Louis
Our Sword kills an Arab MDI outside St. Louis
Ratchet Science up to 19% for Steam in 19 turns...
Medina - I have 5 units an one Galleon... somebody must be sacrificed... 3 Knights, a pike, and a settler.... Our one 4/4 Knight must stay...and hope for the best
Rush a Cathedral in Washington...
MM Brownsville for a Cav one turn sooner
Nome hires a taxman
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IBT - Arabs kill a pike, and retreat a Knight... Arabia declares war on the Germans
LOTS of Spanish troop movement...
Washington Cathedral>Cav
Des Moines Library> University
Ocala Aqueduct>Market
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Turn 6 - 1160 AD
Something improved...Steam Power now due in 17
Lots of worker moves...
Rush a Library in Annapolis
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IBT - Arabia declares war on the Spanish
more ridiculous Spanish troop movement
Annapolis Library>Market
Kansas City Library>Court
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Turn 7 - 1170 AD
Suddenly we're at +192gpt...and people are willing to trade us medicine. We're 16 Turns from Steam Power at 20% reserarch.
... we had to retire from Medina, but we will be back...
...more to follow...
Treasury at +97gpt, research and lux @ 10%, Steam Power in 36 turns.
City Check
Brownsville, Univ. in 3, hire a Scientist...scratch that...move a citizen to a riverside tile...
St. Louis mm citizen to mined plains for bank 2 turns faster
Wilmington, similar move, aqueduct 2 turns sooner
Pittsburg, cut 5 turns off Market build
Cut 4 turns off market build in Chapel Hill
Hire a couple of tax collectors in Mexico City
Shave 1 turn off Cathedral in Washington
Shave 3 turns off Bank in Halle
Shave 5 turns off Market build in Southend
Shave a turn off the library build in Des Moines
Pensacola Beach is maxed in population w/o an aqueduct, only one citizen working coast.. corrupt. Switch Harbor build to market.
Shave 2 turns off bank build in Coeur d'Alene
Everybody is Happy in Atlanta... building Cathedral...hmmm...
Shave a turn off the market build in East Rutherford
shave 2 turns off bank build in Seattle
Cut Library build in Annapolis to 11 turns from 22. Go Navy. Heh. Plebes are illiterate here...
Cut Library build in Rockaway Beach to 12 turns from 28
Some of these moves will slow growth in a couple of cities, but many of our cities are at or near capacity. I hope the long and short-term boost to the the treasury and research helps. We're now at +100 gpt
=====
IBT - Arab naval units move
France declares war on the Persians!
Spanish workers move around
New York Cathedral>Musket
Boston University>Bank
Chicago Bank>University
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Turn 1/1110 AD
Tradition demands that we come to the aid of Joanie. As much as it hurt$, I offer her an alliance against the X-man and 80gpt for Military Tradition...
Diplomacy -
Spices and Chemistry to Bismarck for an Alliance against Persia.
I accidentally buy a worker from Temujin for 100g+1gpt
Not what I meant to do. Mongols join in Cheaper. MA v. Persia for 140g.Dial up Izzy, WM + Military Tradition and 100g for an alliance against the X-man.
Dial up Caesar (I can't believe he survived my last dogpile) He joins the alliance against the X-man. Straight up Military Alliance. What a cheap...
OOPS! I almost forgot to invite Cleo to the party... WM +50g +8gpt for MA v. X-man
Dang...these workers spell "stack of Doom" for jungles... I hope Bugsy left me some serious units in those ships...cause that's the only thing I've moved this turn that wasn't a worker...oh yeah - we have a leader...where's Lee... move him towards NY...
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IBT - Here we go...
Arab galleys move...Some spanish units move through our territory (surprise)
No changes to the map (yet)
WLTKD in SEVERAL of our cities...
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Turn 2/1120 AD
A little diplomacy...
Gems to Cleo for WM+ 11gpt. Really dear, we must get you the techs to get out of that bonnet. It simply doesn't become you.
Gems to Izzy for WM+50g+14gpt.
Joanie: 18g for 1gpt (an interest bearing loan for the war effort)
Let's see...much of our military is knocking on Abu's doorstep...city check
MM a citizen in New Orleans to free up a plains tile to MM a citizen to that tile in St. Louis. Gets us a bank in St. Louis 2 turns sooner, but at the cost of growth in New Orleans. Rails will fix New Orleans.
At the cost of some food, Kansas City will get a library a turn sooner.
Hmmm...putting a couple of citizens on plains tiles in Great Falls gets us a bank 2 turns sooner...
stunted growth completely in Cd'A for a Bank another turn sooner
Slow growth in Atlanta for our cathedral to be completed a turn sooner...
Why doesn't it suprise me that Daytona Beach is a corrupt cesspool...
Note - we need to re-shuffle citizens in Boston and New Bedford when we get rails....
MM a citizen in annapolis for Library in 6...I'm gonna teach these Navy boys somethin' yet
Let's see...on to actual playing now...
forestry operations near Halle
forestry operations near Atlanta
forestry operations near Des Moines
Land Troops near Medina!!!
Lee stands in New York. I'm going to let NY complete a Mustket in 2 turns, so as not to wast the shiels.
Press <Enter>
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IBT - The counterattack outside medina appears more ferocious than I expected, but maybe that's because somebody messed with the animation settings...but Abu kills a couple of our knights..
Brownsville University> Cavalry
Denver Marketplace>Aqueduct
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Turn 3/1130 AD
Diplomacy check - something with Cleo for 110gpt runs out in 4...
Renew Incense and Ivory as a package deal to Izzy for 50G+27gpt
Almost haggled with Joanie for Wines at WM+40gpt...but decide to be gentlemanly and take her original offer of WM+650g...then loan her 18g for 1gpt.
Then offer Temujin 18g+WM for 1gpt
City check... a litte mining around Chicago...
Forest chop near Hyannis...
***Battle for Medina*****+
kill a pike, promote a knight
redline a pike, lose a knight
knight kills spear x2
Knight kills MDI
Knight kills Ansar Warrior
3/5 Knight kills redlined pike...DANGIT...a 3/3 longbow, unfortified, and nothing left to attack with but wounded pikes...what to do...lose a pike, fortify everything else...
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IBT - Arab longbow kills one of our knights, arab naval unis shuffle, Arabs declare war on Mongols
LOTS of Spanish troop movement
New York Musketman>Military Academy
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Turn 4/1140 AD
We're due for another expansion of our "palace"...
Forest chops near Halle, Atlanta
Medina - again - this could get ugly - 6 units left, and one's a settler...
Knight kills a pike (where did HE come from??!?!!)
Knight kills a spear...
Knight retreats against an MDI
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IBT - Ansar Warrior kills one of our two remaining healthy Knights...Arabs 2 MDI near St. Louis....
STUPID amount of Spanish troop movement
We complete the Military Academy in Marion, AL, um, I mean, New York...
New York MA>Army
Dodge City Bank>Cav
Dallas Market>Library
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Turn 5/1150 AD
I'm not going to take medina anytime soon...time to regroup....
Diplomacy:
Egypt 18g+WM for 1gpt
Same deal for Izzy, Mongols, Bismarck
Joan takes the deal without WM
our MDI kills an Arab MDI outside St. Louis
Our Sword kills an Arab MDI outside St. Louis
Ratchet Science up to 19% for Steam in 19 turns...
Medina - I have 5 units an one Galleon... somebody must be sacrificed... 3 Knights, a pike, and a settler.... Our one 4/4 Knight must stay...and hope for the best
Rush a Cathedral in Washington...
MM Brownsville for a Cav one turn sooner
Nome hires a taxman
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IBT - Arabs kill a pike, and retreat a Knight... Arabia declares war on the Germans
LOTS of Spanish troop movement...
Washington Cathedral>Cav
Des Moines Library> University
Ocala Aqueduct>Market
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Turn 6 - 1160 AD
Something improved...Steam Power now due in 17
Lots of worker moves...
Rush a Library in Annapolis
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IBT - Arabia declares war on the Spanish
more ridiculous Spanish troop movement
Annapolis Library>Market
Kansas City Library>Court
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Turn 7 - 1170 AD
Suddenly we're at +192gpt...and people are willing to trade us medicine. We're 16 Turns from Steam Power at 20% reserarch.
... we had to retire from Medina, but we will be back...
...more to follow...
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